Voir (Not So) Dire
Sunday was spent in Connecticut…took the train over but caught a ride back to NYC with a team member. Very interesting chats on the way home. S got home a few minutes before me and spent a ton of time in the shower scrubbing the dirt from his canoe/camping weekend off. We hung out for a bit, then I did work the rest of the night – ugh. I was trying to get everything done before I had to report to Jury Duty the next morning, and was just about ready to go to sleep (sending out some large files that were taking awhile to clear inbox) when a major fire drill came in just past 4am. Yuck. Covered what I could, went to sleep, woke up and headed downtown to Centre Street. I don’t get down to this area very much so a bit of a thrill to come upon 60 Centre Street, which will be familiar to any Law & Order fans out there:
In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crimes and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
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The recorded message when I called to check in the night before had said there was wifi in the building, but I was skeptical. There was a longish line for security to get into the building (complete with some Occupy folks telling potential jurors about their personal legal woes, their opinion that "stop and frisk" actions are illegal, and that we should find everyone innocent. Ha.) I went up to the juror waiting room and just as they’d said, wifi! I was very impressed. They ran through some paperwork things and I just sat and did work until we were called into a courtroom for selection.
This was a large room of about 70 people, and a judge swore us in, then spoke to us to give an overview of the trial and timeframe. I had actually heard about this case a while back, it was a pretty sensational story last year of a hot young model bashing his older lover’s head in during an argument, then cutting off his testicles. I was impressed by the judge, he was very well spoken with an aura of gravitas. Guy was claiming not guilty by reason of insanity, but they had 10 days of just witness testimony so probably a pretty long trial. They then asked anyone who had any reason they felt they could not participate on this trial to raise their hands, I raised my hand along with about half the people in the room and we were directed out into the hallway. After a while a court officer directed us back to the jury room and we waited until we were excused for lunch. A two hour lunch…I made good use of it by finally resolving the mess that came up at 4am that morning. I had a diet coke and a drake’s coffeecake for lunch, and both were only 80 cents, haven’t seen vending machine prices that low in years – nice!
After the lunch break most of the folks in the room got called to another criminal trial across the street, leaving around 20 of us. The smaller group of us got called in for a civil trial. This one was also interesting, I was a little worried because I knew they’d never take me for a criminal trial, but civil I wasn’t sure about. We got sworn in, then this case was presented by the two lawyers, one for the plaintiff and one for the defendant. The defense lawyer was a typical slick Long Island type, and the plaintiff’s counsel was a rumpled looking guy, but you could tell that was part of his schtick too. The case was a dispute between two dentists, one turned attorney who now did malpractice law against other dentists. This attorney sued the practicing dentist, Dr. Jerry Lynn, over 50 times until one day Lynn supposedly called him up, told him to stop suing him, and then threatened his life. The dentist disputed that such a threat was made, and suit was for damages of emotional pain and suffering due to the death threat. For this one we had to fill out a questionaire, they asked us questions, then asked if any of the first 8 of us had questions. I asked what I thought was an obvious question, "If this was a legitimate death threat, why is this a civil matter and not a criminal one?" The lawyers did NOT like that question…they hemmed and hawed until it was kind of obvious that there had been a criminal trial already, and said we were supposed to consider the civil suit separately and only think about whether we would be able to quantify monetary damages for pain and suffering due to the death threat. They then both told the other potential jurors to disregard what I had said. To me both parties sounded totally sleazy, and while it sounded like a short case, I didn’t really want any part of it. Luckily they felt the same way and I was dismissed first, right at 4pm so I headed to the subway to meet S at work a bit early.
We walked over to the Todd English Food Courts at the Plaza Hotel – I had never been to this part of the iconic hotel. We had a couple of beers, cheese plate, and risotto tater tots. Everything was okay, but to me it felt like a rip-off of the Food Hall at Harrods, only not as nice. Super expensive too, if I went back I’d probably stick to the Oak Bar for drinks or Palm Court for brunch. Then we went home, I fell asleep pretty early, and then went back downtown to my second day of Jury Duty.
Tuesday was similar, but we didn’t need to be there until 9:30am. No long line this time but I did see a man peeing a golden arc into a sewer grate. Hope no unsuspecting subway patron was underneath. Inside was a much smaller group this time. Mid-morning we got called into another criminal trial, about 30 potential jurors. This was a smaller courtroom, with both sets of lawyers and the defendant there. Another impressive-seeming judge, who outlined the case. This guy, kind of hipsterish/mohawked totally normal looking dude, was accused of strangling two people at two different addresses, one sounded like a domestic violence thing but not sure who the other person was or what the context was. (I think both people must have lived because strangulation was the only charge, but they weren’t in the courtroom.) This judge asked the same question about anyone who felt they couldn’t serve for this case and several people raised their hands. The first guy said he could only tell the judge privately, so they conferenced for a few minutes, then asked the rest of us to step out. We filed back into the hallway, then came back in about 5 minutes later. The next woman stood up and said she’d had first-hand experience of domestic violence and could not serve. The judge asked for clarification and the woman said in a quavering voice, "I was a victim of domestic violence and after that, I absolutely couldn’t look anyone in the eye who is accused of that crime." I felt really bad for her, very tough to stand up and share something so personal to a room of people. Very intimidating. She left and I was next.
The judge asked me and I stated my name, then said, "I’m from a strong NYPD family, my father retired as a Detective First Grade after 42 years, and my brother took up his badge upon his retirement. Given my background, I am extremely supportive of law enforcement and may have an ingrained bias against a person accused of a violent crime." They had no questions for me, and I was dismissed. I waited out in the hall and chatted a little with the girl who’d spoken about her abuse, I think she just needed someone to talk with and decompress a bit after such a tough situation. Then several women came out at a time, I didn’t hear their statements but from their conversation it sounded like they had also been victims of domestic abuse. Unlike the first girl, they kind of talked about it like it was no big deal but one mentioned her spouse had been sent away for 2 years for violence towards her, so it must have been fairly awful. Tough women. Another girl came out with tears in her eyes and sat down next to me. I asked if she was okay and she just started talking. She had been in a bad situation years ago but was now happy with a guy who treats her very well. I thought that was really nice and was glad she was able to stay open to something good after being hurt like that previously. Very sweet girl.
After that were sent back to the jury room, then to lunch. I met my colleague who had jury duty at another nearby building outside for lunch. I had a swiss cheese, lettuce, and tomato sandwich on fresh wheat bread. Much nicer than the vending machine lunch the day before! After lunch we sat around until around 3pm, then picked up our proof of service letters, and were dismissed for the next six years. I headed in to the office and did work until around 6pm. Overall I was impressed by the process, I found it very well organized and was appreciative of the measures they’d taken to allow people to do work when appropriate during the waiting around times. I found the cases interesting and while I don’t know that I would necessarily make a bad or impartial juror, but from everything I’ve heard they would never pick me given my family background so I figured I’d be up front about it so as not to waste anyone’s time.
After work S and I went grocery shopping while he finished the laundry. We had tomato and mozzarella paninis with sliced cucumbers on the side. I had two large glasses of wine and he finished off the bottle. I did work until late, then woke up this morning feeling hungover. I don’t think I am, I think it’s just lack of sleep lately. The next few weeks are going to be tough but I am looking ahead to November when I am hoping for some downtime and relaxation.
Randomly, I think this is probably the happiest entry you will ever read about waiting in lines, working around the clock, and Jury Duty. I can imagine a few other diarists on here describing the exact same week and making it sound like the 4th circle of Hell. It really wasn’t bad though, this is a good little life in general.
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Your “ba-bum” made me LOL!
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I have always thought that jury duty sounds really interesting. Good entry! Bum-bum!
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I’ve always wanted to get called for jury duty!
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Crazy about your life!
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I didn’t realize they could make you come back the next day if you’ve been dismissed. Matt loved serving on a jury. He had an excuse from work and they had to let him out. The hours were much shorter than a normal work day and we always met for a long lunch.
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jury duty is the theme of my day. My coworker’s in the pool for a very notorious case here as well. And hour before I read this I was telling her that out of all her brothers it’s a bummer none of them became a cop.
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I did jury duty right at that building. An arson case. I was the 13th juror, the substitute – so I heard the case but in the end, did not vote. Which felt Ok because I think the whole thing was mob and therefore – uncomfortable! I remember thinking that I wouldn’t like it but it was fine. Being down there was great – Tribeca had not been made over yet. I browsed around Chinatown for hours…
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Surely law enforcement don’t have an ingrained bias against anyone??!! CD xxx
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Huh. In CA, it’s one day or one trial, so I was confused when you said you had to go back! I’ve been putting off the jury summons I got in October of 2010 for years now. I had to delay it earlier this summer, and so am scheduled to report in… APRIL 2013! Sorry suckers, see you in two more years! (breastfeeding moms are automatically excused.)
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RYN* Yes, that’s what the kids are calling abortion now. It’s a fb app you can add that shows you pictures of puppies or kittens or something like that any time one or your friends mentions or posts a picture of a baby. So your news feed becomes baby free. Here it’s one day one trial, once a year. My parents said they each got called once in the 6 years we lived in MA, and both have gotten called every other year here. This will be my third stint (when they finally get ahold of me!)
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RYN: You are so so lovely, thank you! I can’t wait to get back to New York in December having read this – I loved the Oak bar in the Plaza! It was closed when we were there in December and April, so fingers crossed it is open in December. The shops in the Plaza make me feel claustraphobic, but it could have been the crowds at Christmas time.I wouldn’t have liked to have been involved in any of those trials – delighted you managed to avoid them. Yay for downtime in November 🙂 xxx
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You sound so good. It’s always so nice to read.
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Haha I love the Law & Order sound effects!
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When i had jury duty in queens, i was shocked that the waiting room had herman miller furniture
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I did jury duty last year and it was on the two hottest days of the summer, so I was very glad to be in the A/C then. Also, I had lunch at one of the dumpling places nearby–8 dumplings and a coke for $3. Insane.
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I sort of like the idea of jury duty, but I’m not working very much at the moment. Also, what if it was a really dull fraud case or something.
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RYN – They aren’t murderers or girl(boy)friend abusers until they are found guilty! and RYotherN – I’m not too keen on the jelly babies either but that’s all that was on offer so that’s what I had. There’s no doubt that they are highly concentrated energy though!! The crowding probably wasn’t as bad as I made out – it’s just (probably like you) I’m used to swimming basically on my own. CD xxx
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lol at bum-bum!
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I was actually disappointed that I didn’t get picked for my jury. I get all misty eyed and keyed up about doing my civic duty and participating in our legal system and hoping to give people their right to a fair trial. I think I’m a closet patriot, except I can also recite several of our nation’s historic documents from memory, and should have been a civics teacher… so maybe not closet. 😉
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Id love to do it, but they would never pick me either.
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other people like to complain about everything. annoying to get called in, but a nice little break from the routine.
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r: zanks =] question though, is the only way to get there / see the castle by kayak? (i’m a wuss when it comes to most outdoor sports)
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Your jury duty was a significantly more dramatic experience than mine… wow. I basically just sat there with a book for hours on end and then they let us go.
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r: thanks!! of course right after i messaged you i found the hudson tours, however i did not know that free stuff was going on. the weather reports say that it’s going to be straight rain all weekend though so now i don’t know what to do. i don’t know why getting out of here seems so complicated. ;P
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Never been called for jury duty…I hope it operates as smoothly In Canada. That is really cool that you got to go to where 60% of Law and Order episodes end!
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sheesh man. you are so amazingly ethical I loved this side of the jury story. not one that you get to hear that often.
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And re: your jury duty, it sounds more exciting than when I went a couple of years ago! I spent all day at the district court in Detroit, and got picked to sit on a jury for a case where a guy got into a bar fight and beat the crap out of some bouncers and two strippers. They dismissed me straight off the bat without even asking me any questions. Apparently I don’t look sympathetic to a guy thatbeats up strippers?? I was kind of offended actually that I got dismissed without them even talking to me, lol. Is it a two day mandatory thing in New York?
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I would love to serve on a jury. I probably never will get to. And I laughed at the ba-bum too 🙂
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It IS like law and order! That’s great. You kinda make me want to experience jury duty. ha.
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Hello! I’m in New York next week (12-14th) and would LOVE to see you if you’re around! Trying to sort out a bit of a meet-up with [janeanger] and [jamesensor] on the Sunday, would be great if you could make that, but otherwise if you have any time free that weekend we could grab a drink? Would be so exciting to meet you finally! xxx
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i got myself excused on the basis that i have no paid time off. glad your experience wasn’t terrible!!
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Yuck. I’d hate to be called for Jury duty. I mean, I guess if it was a very interesting, important case maybe. But I’d be scared I’d make a bad decision that affected someone so deeply..like accidently sending someone to jail or not having enough evidence to say someone WAS guilty even though in your gut, you know they are.
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It’s ok. We were running around everywhere. Had a great time! You’re so lucky to live in such an exciting city with so many hot guys everywhere. 😉
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r: yes… he is so moody. and I would rather not be. there in lies my questioning.
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Wow! So interesting.
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You are amazingly fit. For most other ppl it would be the week from beyond hell. 🙂 I am now in Barcelona. It’s a bit … different. It’s been harder on the kitties than I thought in ways I hadn’t considered as important as they were. I wouldn’t put them through that again. The agent had told me he would have kitty litter here for my cats. He did, when he showed up several hours later. ugh! Stupid. Yes jackhole. They will wait until it suits you to use the toilet after hours and hours in captivity and stressed … ugh! Some mothers do have ’em!! So much change in the past 8 months. Internally. It’s actually getting to me oddly enough. 🙂 Well, I am glad you didn’t actually have to do the Jury duty, just the selection process. That would be time consuming enough. Interesting that you are off the hook for a quaranteed 6 years. They do that here too. Sort of like not being able to take aptitude tests within 7 years and … LOL My place is Pla de Palau 12 if you want to google it. It’s very cool to stand on the balcony or the roof terrace and watch life go by.
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R: No one else was hurt. When he called to talk with me, he went as far as saying, “I’m okay and no one else was hurt…” before launching into the full story. Otherwise I would be a lot more worried and pissed than I already am.
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ryn: The amt of stuff I have freaks me out too and I got rid of TONS before I moved. Fifteen bags of clothes/shoes and four huge boxes of books, all cds/dvds, etc. I don’t know how to downsize anymore… As for the armoire it is raw wood and I bought it years ago at Gotham Cabinet. (I recently painted it white.) When I lived in Brooklyn I used it as a closet (it can have one or two hanging bars for clothes and shevles inside.) It’s great bc it has two separate pieces so it is easy for movers. Then when I moved in with Wm. we took the bar out and he built shelves into it for our TV/dvd/videos/cds/games etc. Now in this apt. I have that big room for clothes but there is no closet for general storage like tool box, extra blankets, space heater, fan, dog beds/games so I use it for that. I will put my a/c in there when I have it taken out next week.
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This is it: http://www.gothiccabinetcraft.com/products/Wardrobe-Flat-Shaker-w47-Doors.html without that side panel that makes it wider. Mine is just hte 36 inch wide closet and the shaker addition of two drawers that stacks on top of it. I think at the time it came to about $650 total in raw wood. I just got sealant and coated it twice. (recently I painted it all white.)
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Catching up with you. This give me Jury Duty flashbacks. I too was very impressed with my judge and am fascinated by the whole judicial process. While my murder trial was hard and I wouldn’t want to do it again, I’m glad I have that as a life experience.
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