The Verdict is in: Biden Won the VP Debate
Not only did Biden win the debate, according to some polls… it wasn’t even close. Sarah Palin did exceed expectations, but when you set them really low to begin with that isn’t a very hard task to accomplish. But when you’re debating the issues, regurgitating memorized talking points and not answering the moderator’s questions isn’t how you win a debate. That’s especially true when your opponent goes out of his way to answer them all. If you count the score based on questions answered, Biden won by a large margin, but the early polls also declare him the winner as well:
The numbers don’t lie, the people thought Joe came across as more for the people than Sarah did with her scripted answers. And look at the picture of Biden before the debate… his idea of last minute prep is watching the baseball playoffs on television. He wasn’t cramming at the last minute and was cool as ice walking out to the stage and it showed during the debate.
As for the debate itself, I thought Palin came across as ignorant and pompus. Tina Fey is going to have no problems mocking her again as she made more than enough gafes for Saturday Night Live to work with. The more slang she used during the debate (saying ya instead of yes for example) the more unprepared and unqualified for the job she looked. And what did everyone think about that “shout out” she gave? During difficult times of war and economic crisis when people are looking for their canidates to take matters of this urgency seriously, watching Palin winked and treat the debate like a high school pep rally was a real turn off. SNL is going to have a lot of fun with that one.
Then there are the actual comments she made. Check out this one:
Palin: There’s a toxic mess on Main Street and it’s affecting Wall Street.
So according to the Governor, Main Street is to blame for the economic crisis. Way to turn on the people there, Sarah. She also kept spreading that outrageous lie about McCain suspending his campaign, which didn’t happen. I really wish Biden called out Palin on that for the bullshit it really was. The campaign was never suspended, offices were still open, ads were still on the air and McCain’s reps were still on major networks ripping Obama. So that’s not suspending your campaign, making it an outright lie.
There was another moment during the debate when Palin meant to say that people wanted John McCain to ‘lead’ during this time of crisis but she accidently said something completely different accidently:
Palin: “… all of us who come from such a diverse background of — of policy and of partisanship, all coming together at this time, recognizing he (McCain) is the man that we need to leave — lead in these …”
Huge gafe right there in my books. Everyone wants McCain to leave? I’m surprised not many people focused on that slip very much in the post debate talk. Maybe they’ll catch it more today when talking about it more in detail.
What I liked a lot about this debate was how Biden focused his attack on the Bush administration and John McCain. Instead of attacking Palin’s record (which she likely had a pre-written answer for on her cue cards) he instead attacked the top or her ticket and hit time after time that a McCain administration would be just another four more years of George W. Bush. Check it out:
‘Past is Prologue’ was a fantastic comeback to all that don’t look over your shoulder crap Palin was trying to shovel. Of course she doesn’t want to look back, she represents the party that is the incumbent. And it appears that Palin didn’t have an answer memorized to respond to that cause she didn’t defend McCain at all when he was compared to Bush, and chose to instead change the subject to something she could talk about instead. She did that often, even avoiding questions asked by Biden and the moderator. Biden was even quick to point that out early in the debate that she’s not answering the question… and then Palin arrogantly responded, I don’t have to answer the questions. That’s when the moderator should have stepped in and said, “Yes, you do.”
The most sincere moment of the debate also came from Biden as well, when he amost teared up when talking about the car accident that killed his first wife and daughter and seriously hurt his two sons. If you watched the meters on CNN when he was talking about how he understands what it’s like to be a single parent, his rating shot to the maximum it could reach. Check it out:
As you can see by the meter at the bottm, people were really connecting with Senator Biden. Just a mere moment later, Gov. Palin didn’t even acknowledge or show an ounce of empathy for Biden’s personal tragedy. She chose to instead respond by firing off another stump speech… and that came off as the rudest moments in the debate and her rating during that response and the ‘white flag’ comment were the lowest of the debate, meaning the people didn’t like her much if at all during those moments.
So while people are going to try to say that Palin is a winner just because she managed to exceed her exceptionally very, very low standards… it was no where near enough to meet the high standard that was set by Joe Biden. He was on his game last night and was untouchable. I even think he did better last night than Obama did during his first debate… and his attacks of McCain and Bush were more direct and hit harder as well. I think Obama and his campaign should be very, very happy with this debate and how well Joe performed. He was a clear victor, it wasn’t even close.
Peter
Agreed!
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I watched this one and I have to agree. It’s like someone gave her a bunch of numbers to memorize and then gave her a list of talking points and told her to come back to those talking points at all costs. “And, Sarah, if they ask you a question that you don’t know the answer to, talk about Alaska’s natural energy and McCain’s bipartisanship.”
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one of the comments I heard was that she is an accomplished debater because she managed to avoid so many questions. maybe i’m confused on the meaning of debate, but i don’t think that computes. i got the distinct feeling that biden was talking to middle america while she seemed out of touch with the non-drill, baby, drill crowd.
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Personally, I think you read way more into her “gaffe,” if you can call it that, than there actually is. I quote it becauase I really don’t think it was anything more than a slip of the tongue. Just like Obama’s muslim faith comment or the John Bush comment. It means absolutely nothing. So let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill. Biden didn’t dominate this debate. He did pretty well. Hedid what everyone expected of him. It’s stupid, but because she wasn’t as ridiculous as she was with Katie Couric, she “won” in a lot of people’s eyes. Now if only all of us could have such low expectations in our jobs. 🙂 In reality, any person with half a brain can tell the woman is a vapid, shallow excuse for a politician on the national stage who comes across as condescending and damn annoying. Biden did what he needed to do. To me, this sums it up: “As a woman, I just wanted her to stop embarrassing us,” said Susannah Nation, 32, a human resources manager in Kentfield, Calif. “I’ve got to say I was impressed. She did not change my vote and I will never agree with her, but she was a studied candidate.”
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i think she did okay — for herself — but obviously not good enough to win the debate. huzzah!
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i agree with you! biden was amazing. Palin had no clue what on earth she was talking about 99% of the time. then she continuously came back to environmental issues, I think there was ONE question that had to do with environmental policies…uugh. she needs to go back to alaska.
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Polls are one of my pet peeves, they’re so meaningless. The only poll that counts is 4th November. I’ve been calling out the pro-McCain diarists who cite polls where the number of people canvasses is less than 1 % of the population, so I’ve got to hold the same standard for pro-Obama. What are the actual numbers of people canvassed by CBS News? If the same as the CNN poll just after McCain vs Obama debate last week that again that’s less than 1% of the population (which makes it even less therefore than the percentage of the population elegible to vote). Whether it puts Obama, Palin, bin Laden or Bush up top none of these polls actually mean anything.
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I think you’re being way to hard on those slips of the tongue, how many of us in a live televised debate would not be a little nervous, how many of us would be word perfect? Heck I’ve referred to myself as a woman before due to a slip of the tongue, it doesn’t mean I believe I’m a woman! The main street/wall street slip if forgivable, its clear from watching what she meant. Likewise McCain to leave is highly amusing but not worth making hay out of. She held her own considering her obvious nerves, the real points to be focusing on was her refusal to answer so many questions and retreating back to limted areas of comfort, that will not have escaped the audiences attention. Hopefully there’s also enough intelligence in the electorate to realise that a true maverick does not self proclaim themself as one, and Biden rightly called her and John out on it. He did ‘win’ (In so much as it’s possible to objectively conclude as such) because he was able to counter all her points and answer unscripted.
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The moderator was too lenient when Palin dodged time and time again, I suspect given the criticism she already recieved as being biased towards Obama (based on a rather flimsy reason) she probably didn’t want that kind of fire. A pity as it does democracies no good to have a toothless media, and no matter what the right wingers like to scream with their deluded fantasies of a left wing media conspiracy the truth is the US media gives way to much deference to the President and elected officials. All in all I enjoyed this one far more than Obama and McCain.
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I don’t think either of them necessarily won, although I do think Biden performed much better than IHSP. She lost, in my mind, but I’d be surprised if this really decided many votes…so I don’t think he won exactly.
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