A response to Tattooed Christian…

I don’t like it when one person dominates the notes of any entry, so rather than post numerous notes… I am going to post an entry to respond to his response. All right, let’s start off with what I said:

“Despite what we are told, there are countless people who live lives as good as Christians and Catholics, and count themselves among those who don’t believe that the Bible is a reliable source of informatio­n about spiritual truth.”

Basically what I said here was there are many people out there who are not Christian or Catholics, but they are just as moral as them. That is true because there are countless Atheists, Buddists and other forms of moral people who do not get their morality from the bible because it is not considered to be a reliable source of spiritual truth.

Tattooed Christian replied by saying: “The only place that a true Christian would get their information about spiritual truth would be the bible.”

Tattooed Christian need to learn how to read. I said people who live their lives ‘as good as Christians’ not ‘as Christians’. That means non-Christians who act as good or as moral as them without needing the bible to tell them so. I apologize if CT was unable to understand what I said but I was under the impression he could comprehend at a grade ten reading level.

Then he replied to this note I made, in which I stated: “That’s not to say the Bible is without it’s redeeming parts – but they are leavened with other parts that reflect the dark shadow of those who wrote them.”

Basically I stated that regardless of what good comes out of the bible, it doesn’t negate the fact that the book is riddled with genocide, racism, sexism and homophobic tendancies. I think the point was made quite clear, that being that the good in the bible doesn’t make up for the very bad stuff inside it and the dark nature of which many passaged in it was written.

Tattooed Christian replied by saying: “Please explain this “dark shadow” that you are referring to. You seem to have some sort of knowledge of the authors of the bible that many do not.”

Tattooed Christian questions what I have to say becasue I have ‘no knowledge of the authors’ of the bible, yet takes all these stories that he allows to dictate how he chooses to live his life on faith. Really?

There is no evidence to support if a shred of anything in the bible is true or factual, but you’ll take that on faith and question my observations with questions and doubt. I made an observation that writer (of having ‘A Dark Shadow’) because I happen to think people who approve of slavery, sexism, genocide and even death to those who cross them (even though God said killing is bad period) is a little shady and dark in my opinion. I based my thoughts on observation, rather than faith which is what you grant the writers of the bible without a single shred of fact or evidence.

Basically what I’m saying CT is that I find your hypocrisy rather amusing.

Finally, I stated the following in the last paragraph of my note: “We have never needed the bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate and those who believe these absurditie­s commit atrocities and crimes against humanity. History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of God.”

Tattoed Christian replied by saying: “Please Peter, without using the bible, or any other scripture of any religion justify love for me. Explain to me where we get morals from, where we know what is good and bad.”

I hate to break it to CT, but morality and love existed long before Christianity came into existence. Love is caring for someone to the point where you make an effort to be nice to that person and do things for them that you normally wouldn’t do for others. Love of one’s offspring, one’s mate. That kind of love has been around since the beginning of time, long before the bible and the people it talks about ever existed.

Civilizations have also been creating moral codes long before Christianity introduced the Ten Commandments and people have loved one another and their offspring for even longer. I may not have been there, but I’m pretty confident that even dinosaurs experienced love at one point, such as love one shares with their own offspring. They didn’t need a bible to teach them how to love their children, and neither do we.

Christian Tattooed then said: “History does teach us that some people in the name of god or religion have committed some very heinous things, but so have moralists, relativists, communists and nazis. There are bad people in every corner and sect of life. You state your last statement as if it’s fact, when in reality you are using your opinion to justify your hatred of Christianity. When you say “no other cause has brought more death than the word of god” you are speaking in a factual absolute which is not an absolute, it’s an opinion.”

Not true, CT. What I said to you was coming from fact. For example, 5 million dead Jews are not opinion but a fact because they were murdered by Christians who didn’t like them. And yes, the Nazis were devout Christians, so don’t even go there. Hitler was a self proclaimed Christian, which I posted an entry about a while back… so to separate them from Christian atrocities as if they are different is a tad misleading. The Nazis were Christians and they committed their atrocities in the name of God…

It was also the most Christian nation in Africa that spawned the enormous genocide that killed more than 800,000 people in Rwanda. That is not opinion, because it’s well documented that a lot of these atrocious acts were committed by people who claimed to be good Christians.

Then we have the Crusades, the inquisition, the Salem witch trials and countless other atrocities that are not opinion, but actual events that point out the barbarism of the Christian faith. Now when we combine that with the atrocities other religions have committed in the name of their God(s), that proves without a doubt that no other cause has brought more death in this world. When combining all the atrocities that all religious people have committed in the name of their God(s), that line was not an opinion but an unquestionable fact.

Not other cause comes even close.

None.

Peter