Thoughts on abortion (at work).

I am not trying to push my beliefs on you, so calm down. My co-worker, who’s directing a play on abortion and why women need the right, asked me my opinion, and I opened up to her; and I think it came out pretty clear, which doesn’t happen much with me and tough topics, and so I thought I’d just post it. I would love to hear your thoughts, though.

This is our conversation (edited down for length and readability, but not for spelling):

her: [the play is] about a woman’s right to choose abortion, and also the implications of carrying a baby to term when you physically aren’t able due to illness, etc, showing different viewpoints

me: why does it interest you so? if u dont mind me asking

her: although it goes strictly against my religious beliefs (im catholic) i do feel that it is a woman’s right to choose whether she has an abortion. it’s her body. if i was raped, for instance, and became preg. as a result of it, i don’t think i could physically carry this child knowing of which it was conceived. i solely believe its a woman’s right to choose. her church, friends or family can’t tell her otherwise.

me: spiritually speaking, since you are catholic, what do you think god’s thoughts are on it? (and im not trying to be condescening! just seeing what your thoughts are)

her: oh religion..always the toughest subject to speak of. i honestly don’t know what god woudl say. i’ve been told, growing up in church and told all through catholic school, that god frowns upon abortion. but there are just some circumstances that warrant it, i feel. if you were careless and decided, ‘oops, i can’t carry this baby’ and get it aborted, i think that’s the wrong decision. i have no tolerance for carelessness.

me: …its a very tough subject

her: it is. im sure i’ll receive a lot of support [for the play] and a lot of..well, not support. but i’m willing to take the risk 🙂 what are your thoughts? i know you have them

me: well, again, its tough 🙂
its also hard to talk to female’s about it, as men seem to come off as condescedning on the subject
but i will!
i dont like abortion

her: be/c you don’t like the thought of killing a human being?

me: well, i can see how from a viewpoint that doesnt bring god into the picture it is very justified
but i think god is here, you know, so…from a “christian” viewpoint, i dont see how its the mothers choice
she is carryign a new creation
she is sustaining it through herself, so i can see how it can be considered just a part of her body too
the problem is, we were made to have babies when we connected on a new level, where there is a mother and father both working for the same things (before the fall of man)
now, though, their is rape, and promiscuity, etc…so (let me see if i can put this into words…)
i dont think god would have us choose whether it lives or dies
it is not your fault that you got raped and got preganant (for example), but that baby is still a beautiful creation coming from the pure ugliness of mankind
which is what god is all about, i think – creating beauty from the ugliness of what weve turned this world into

her: even if the baby is created out of ..for lack of a better word, forced terms? we’ve found that when women carry babies to term that were created out of such horrible conditions, that child is more likely to be shunned, etc. by the mother be/c it is a constant reminder of what happened to her

me: again, yeah, im not a woman. but if it were to happen to me at this point in my life (where i consider god in everything) — and i were a woman, i definetly would have to pray about it.
i think, with those women, they’d have to forgive the man who raped them to be able to love their baby
and forgiveness would be very hard

her: easier said than done, though! what if you were a virgin? this man just stole your purity. your innocence, if you will

me: if i had my virginity stolen away from me, i can honestly say the only way id be able to forgive them was through god’s help
so, i would say therefore, the main objective is to introduce people to god — not laws
laws are good a lot of the time, but they don’t change people’s hearts

her: i see your point. well made.

me: and i see your point as well 🙂

So that’s it. Thoughts?

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September 12, 2006

I agree with you. It’s not our choice to kill a baby. If I had a baby, and killed it as soon as it came out, it would be murder, and yet if I did it at 19 weeks, it wouldn’t be. Where is the sense in that?

September 12, 2006

Well there’s no arguement on the rape issue. say a woman does get raped and as a result gets pregnant. Who can say “this baby will be shunned because according to statistic, blah blah blah” Are they God? Are they in charge of this baby’s destiny? No! It is not up to us to decide what “might happen” to the baby because of the circumstances. I also can say, as a woman, that if I was brutally raped and pregnant as a result, and thought I could not handle raising the baby, then there is adoption! Murder is murder, pure and simple black and white. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Now I do have a friend who had to have an abortion because she had cancer of the uterus, and both would have died if she had not. This is a very tough tough decision, and I don’t judge her on her decision, but these circumstances are very rare as well, most people just don’t have an excuse.

September 12, 2006

It’s not a woman’s “right to chose”. It’s not “her body” It’s a whole other body within her. Woman was chosen to do the most blessed thing on earth, to carry children, to protect them, and to love them. To abort a baby because they just don’t want it is one of the most perverted and twisted things I can think of.

September 12, 2006

I have mixed feelings on this subject due to the fact I had an abortion, didn’t have a choice due to health reasons i went from weighing 135 to 100 in one week my doctor told me no matter what neither i nor the child would survive the full term

No abortions..period. If she’s raped? Give the baby to someone who will love him unconditionally. If she’s careless? Give the baby to someone who will love him unconditionally. If she’s ill and the baby would kill her? She should have used birth control….have faith in God and he’ll take care of you. I know, I know..I’m tough. But that’s how I feel.

September 12, 2006

I was always 100% against abortion until my friend got pregnant last year. As I was there for her and saw what it did to her and her life, and this wonderful girl that I loved was the one being shattered in front of me, I couldn’t imagine it being anyone’s choice but hers. I think you have to go through something like that to have a true opinion.

September 12, 2006

Anyhow, no one is arguing that abortion is a good thing. No one says “gee I’m so glad I’ve had this wonderful opportunity to abort this thing growing inside of me”, but i think that sometimes it’s necessary, and it isn’t for anyone to judge but the person going through it.

September 12, 2006

ryn: I actually don’t have AIM right now because my computer is a piece of crap but I will as soon as I get off my ass and call Dell (hopefully Thursday), at which point my screename will be Sk8grl906 (it’s been the same since I was about 6 and a figure skater). sorry ’bout all the notes

ryn/rmn: Miracles happen every day. He healed my Mother after intense prayer and I wasn’t even a believer! I can only speak for myself but I would have to say I would risk the pregnancy and pray like I’ve never prayed before. I would have a direct line to God and it wouldn’t be dial-up if you get my drift. I have that much faith. I’d have the baby and let God decide who lives or dies….at least give him that much. OMG…I sound like one of those bible thumpers who used to freak the crap out of me….still do. LOL!

September 13, 2006

RYN: thank you for letting me know. I’m glad the film has a broad appeal and not seen as bashing Christians. We’ve been fortunate to have similar experiences with open-minded Christians all over the country.

September 14, 2006

women shouldn’t be so prideful to think their judgement is greater than the Lords. phillipians 4:13

I personally would not have an abortion, however, the arguement should truly be: who has rights over a woman’s body? Does the woman have the ultimate say? The man? The government? When you take away a woman’s right to choose birth control/abortion, you take away a right that certainly should be inalienable. Period. It is a woman’s body, sure there is another body involved: the child.

That child, however, is still a part of the woman and requires the mother’s womb to grow. Should she be forced by the government or a man to HAVE that child? Taking away her right to choose takes away her right to her own body. There is no law like this that threatens a man’s freedom. As far as the man being able to choose whether the child should live… I merely say: Show me..

some overwhemling evidence where MEN take care of their children- in a non-married relationship? Men, as of late, have taken to doing the deed but leaving the woman to take care of the child. As soon as more and more men take an active interest in raising children and owning up to the responsibility… there should be some discussion about their say in the whole abortion issue.

October 15, 2006

no, i re-read it and still don’t think i was being an asshole. murder, or a lack thereof, should be based His will and not a woman’s self-realization of their own capacity.

October 15, 2006

the “erase-a-note” function timed out. after minutes of deliberation i find that note increasingly misogynistic. the idea is correct, but i could have worded it better.