The Difference between Nov. 4th and Nov. 5th *
Photo taken Tuesday Nov. 4th, 2008 at about 3 in the afternoon, just after voting.
Text written last night, Wednesday, Nov. 5th, 2008.
please note that these are my opinions only. i have zero interest in discussing this if you have an opinion that differs from mine. i have zero interest in a debate or an argument right now. this is something i am very invested in and very upset about. and i’m not in a place where i can be objective or listen respectfully to other standpoints at this time.
most of the time, i appreciate hearing different perspectives from people i consider to be intelligent and knowledgeable. i’m well aware that not everyone will agree with what i believe to be ‘right’, and i often listen and try to understand opinions that are unlike my own.
however, because the issue of gays being allowed to legally marry is extremely important to me, right now i am not open to entertaining dissenting views or engaging in discussions about it.
when you are fresh off a painful breakup, your reactions and thoughts and views will be markedly tainted with emotion. that’s similar to how i feel, and in the realm of politics, i think it best to keep most emotion off the table.
but i’m just not there right now. simple as that.
yesterday morning was about hope and change and equality. by this morning, all of that changed.
today some of the people i love most in this world have had some of their basic civil rights taken away from them by 52% of California voters, just a few short months after they were given to them.
yesterday, a proposition was passed that will put an amendment in California’s constitution that is pure and unabashed discrimination. it says that one group of people is not as good, less than, inferior to others. that they do not deserve the same rights and choices that i get simply because i happen to be attracted to the opposite sex. which was NEVER a choice I made.
52% of this state’s voters have passed a proposition that will change our CONSTITUTION.
gay marriage will now be illegal.
and i don’t see a difference between this struggle for equality and women fighting for the right to vote, blacks fighting for the right to be allowed to sit in the front of the bus, not the back. or eat at any restaurant, not just the “blacks only” restaurants, people fighting for the right to marry inter-racially which was only made federally legal roughly half a decade ago. *** oops. i meant half a century ago.
had the law remained that any inter-racial couple may not marry, you or a friend of yours or your spouse, if they are of mixed race would not exist today. half asian, half white, half black, half native american or any combination you want to put together. and i’m fairly certain that most do not find find anything ‘wrong’ with people they know or know of who are of mixed ethnicity.
again, i see no difference between the gays being allowed to marry and inter-racial couples being allowed to many.
some of the best people i know, and are very lucky to call my friends and family, are gay, or the product of two people that aren’t the same race but loved each other and created a life. or have a different skin color than mine. etc.
it’s not about whether being gay is ‘wrong’ or ‘right’. i’m not trying to change your opinion on what you believe is morally okay. or what you believe your God sanctions or does not sanction. this is about a basic civil right, regardless of anyone’s opinions on someone else’s sexual orientation.
it’s about every human being in this country being EQUAL.
ideally, that is what i believe to be right and should happen across the board. every single person should be considered and treated as equal. call me naive, but that’s how i believe it should be. however, i’m not naive enough to believe that’s what it WILL be, always, every time, but that will not deter me from believing it, nor fighting for it.
i was so excited yesterday. i sincerely thought to myself “i can’t believe that we’re going to elect the first black president.” and“i’m so proud to live in a state that is going to do something so important and progressive”.
i said this to my closest friend in the world, aside from my husband, who at the age of 32 realized that she is gay. and though I’ve felt this way since i was eleven, i now get to watch as someone i love struggles daily now with pressure from her family, her friends, society, to “turn straight again”. who considers trying to do so because it’s “easier” and she doesn’t want to be treated unkindly, or loved and respected less or not at all by some of her family and some of the people she knows. my heart hurts knowing what my best friend may face and what she will not be allowed to have.
some of the best people i know have been treated horribly because they are gay. they have been kicked out of their homes and disowned by their parents long before their 18th birthday. they have been physically beaten solely because they were attracted to the same sex. they are expected to disclose who they have sex with, when i am not, at places like their work. they are told to their face, uninvited, that they are going to hell, that they are evil. they are browbeaten by people, insisting they are ‘choosing’ to live this ‘lifestyle’. they were not able to visit their partner of 21 years in the hospital when their partner became suddenly ill because their partner’s family does not agree with their lifestyle. and much more.
i have believed for more than twenty years, before i even knew a gay person, that they deserve every right i have. and i will continue to believe that.
and when i can help to bring us closer to giving one basic civil right – the right to marry the person they love, just as I am able to do – i will help. over and over again.
i do not entertain the possibility that “marriage is sacred” when the people who tell me that have been divorced. i do not entertain the possibility that “they can have the same rights and benefits as an opposite sex married couple have, but they shouldn’t be allowed to call it ‘marriage'” as being even remotely fair. i can’t remember the last time “Separate But Equal” worked. i do not entertain the possibility that it is ever okay to think that any group or individual is less than another because of who they are attracted to, what color their skin is, what God they believe in. i am not better than anyone. and no one is inferior to me. feel free to substitute “me” for “you”.
there are many, many issues that have more than one, or two, sides. and even if i disagree, i can find something in another side that i understand. i may not agree, but i can understand why others do not feel as i do.
however, on this issue? i can’t say that anymore. i will not pretend to be objective. i believe with everything that i am that every person in this country deserves equal rights. period. and that is the core of this issue.
today, i am saddened and disappointed.
but i am also so, so grateful that nearly every single person i call a friend – gay or straight, of different faiths, different races, republican and democratic friends – believes in equality for every American and feels even more fiercely passionate about that belief today.
I left a rather short not for and then removed someone from Faves because she spouted a whole bunch of religious God’s will bullshit about why gays shoudn’t marry. She infuriated me with her sheer ignorance and bigotry. I have some Faves that don’t support it but are understanding and respectful of why I do. But she’s just an idiot.
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it looks like electing obama is what killed that prop both here in fl and in cali. the black voters there voted against 70% there and 71% here. crazy isn’t it? if obama hadn’t run, blacks wouldn’t have turned out, and with the way the rest of the population voted, it would have had a different outcome in both our states. strange irony.
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stumbled upon you looking through notes… i too was disappointed to hear the news of prop 8. i may be British, but i am also gay and it just makes me so angry that there are people in this world voting to take away others civil rights. its made me so mad that i’ve finally decided the time has come to come out to my family, i’ve avoided it so long. here’s hoping for equality for all in near future
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against gay marriage being a “yes” vote in both states, just to clear that up if it was confusing. but seriously if you research the numbers, you’ll see. apparently blacks don’t agree with civil rights for everyone, just them. i’m very confused by that.
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this was one of the best things i’ve read over this issue, and i’ve read a lot.
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mos def, i wouldn’t have mentioned it either. sensitive topic. and i mean, i love black people, so its a hard pill to swallow for me, but we DO all know that their is a HUGE chip on their collective shoulder, and of all cultures, they definetly have the most double standards. sad really. i may be a conservative, but i voted no, and honestly i think that is the true conservative view. we believe…
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…in freedom, FOR ALL. double standards kill our republic. but, hey, what can you do. the people have spoken.
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you summed up such an ugly situation in such a beautiful and pure-hearted kind of way.
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hey smarty-pants. you DO know how long i’ve been reading you! read back and you’ll see your own notes in my diary. what’s it been? between this diary and the last, i think about 6 years. and first of all, i’m no republican. i’m a conservative a la barry goldwater. republicans are bushies and bush ruined my country. i’m more of a libertarian. and yeah, i’m exhausted too, we’ll politic at another ti
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the thing we all have to remember is most of us want the same things. liberals AND conservatives. the vast majority of both sides want individual freedom, and justice. the disagreements come only with how we think the best way to get there is. if we remember these things, it is easy to respect each other and have productive conversations. when we lose sight that we are all good people, it gets ugl
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sigh, that’s all I can do is sigh.
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omg i completely forgot about the body incident until you reminded me…..hahahaha….the other girl we were with was totally freaking out. thank you for bringing that one back.
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I was very disappointed with the outcome to that vote…as well as ours here in AZ. I wasn’t surprised by the vote here in AZ, but was very surprised by the one in CA. I’m with you–I don’t understand, and hope to never understand.
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yeah, that’s pretty much it. went up there to hook up with v’s friend. friend was really really wierd. v and i end up hooking up. good times. anyway, man that was a long time ago. if you wanna catch up, you can read my FO entry called “downward spiral”. that’ll get you current with my life. you still with the guy you were with a couple years ago?
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I agree with you. COMPLETELY.
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ive always thought california was a progressive state, despite arnold. i was just blown away at this bill being voted down
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We had the same kind of setback here. The voters of Arizona passed prop 102. …
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/11/17/20081117marriage-mormons1117-ON.html …
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ryn: kelly had gone faves only, i guess. quite unlike her since she loves all the attention and publicity she can get. i hope no one gifts me a subscription. it would be such a waste since i don’t really write anymore. i am kinda bummed tho that a lot of the diaries i enjoy, i can’t read anymore. i just don’t think i spend enough time here to really make it worth my while to re-up.
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and YES you’re crazy for not going to St Thomas if you have the chance. it was really gorgeous, but also there is quite a lot of it that is dirty and poverty stricken. it kind of reminded me of parts of mexico, only there are a lot of nicer areas that aren’t strictly resorts. happy holidays!
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Still here with us? You haven’t written in ages.
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Do you have a facebook? If so please add me, I just can’t make time for this place anymore and want to keep in touch. Heather Douglass on there … heatherbdouglass@comcast.net, PLEASE keep in touch, Heather.
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