Possibly Inflammatory Discussion

here’s my take on that outlook. the No Prop8 people did a really good job with their comericals and trying to take the moral high ground, pointing out the flaws in the campaign for Yes and what the prop was actually for and so forth. they did not take the streets and they did not have the venue of church to campaign in like the Yes people did. in general for this area black people tend to be religious, and that’s where most of the campaigning for Yes was done, in church, around church, church activities and everything else. i had activists for both sides on my street conner, a mere block away from the LDS church on top of that. never underestimate the church’s ability to warp the facts to suit their means. and never underestimate people’s ability to be sheep and merely blindly follow without investigating for themselves.

Bill Maher thinks many people were confused because the wording of the proposition was confusing. I just don’t know why they can’t make things simple. When things get too wordy you can be sure it’s meant to confuse people. I do believe the minority vote had some impact and the Mormon and Catholic opposition (sorry not all of us are ass holes) also had an impact. One guest on Real Time said that the opposition did not do a good job nor spend enough money to get the message out. I believe the Mormons spent $20 million.

I am a black female and I did vote for the gay marriage ban to not happen. I am not sure about other people, cannot speak for them, because Politics are always a tough issue with many opinions. Its sad to see that it didn’t happen the way it should have.

Who would should shoot you for asking a question? I ask you questions all the time and you always answer with a polite, educated answer. If we don’t ask we’ll never learn. *Hugs*

I too think the wording was confusing.

Maybe the country just isn’t ready for gay marriages yet……

I was very sorry it didn’t pass too. I’m far from California, so didn’t hear a lot about it, and what I did hear was VERY recent. I have to say, the wording in the things I read confused me – it took awhile to figure out what exactly voting yes or voting no actually meant. SO maybe that WAS a problem.

Well, here in California- and I live in the well known place people now call, “The O.C.” It’s Republican central here, family values and all that shit. I can tell you first hand- Yes on 8 signs were EVERYwhere- signs every 100 feet on many major streets, people holding up yes on 8 signs at major intersections, bumper stickers on yes on 8- it was everywhere you looked. I only saw a handfulof No on 8 signs- and those signs were on in front of a few houses. Because I do alot of driving around for my job- I really noticed this. I didn’t do anything about it personally because I fear retaliation from homophobes. I don’t have time for that- or to get my car repainted because someone keyed it if I were to have a no on 8 sticker on it. There are still alot of hateful people out there. All that money the churches used to support prop 8 was tax free money from the church. IRS code (section 508 C3)(IRC section 501C status specifically) they can not influence legistation. The Mormons gave 70% of the financing for prop 8, as well as The Knights of Columbus (the Cathlolics) and others. This should help loose their tax exempt status. (Hey, it’s a little payback anyway)

There is now a fire lit for the fight against prop 8 and I find all this unfolding fasinating. Sat. is National No On Prop. 8 Day- or something like that. I just heard about it and people are going to protest in large numbers throughout California. We are thinking of going to one of the marches here close to us on Saturday. About the interview you posted- I listened to it all. UM- she’sthrowing the racial card at the fact the no one from the no on 8 people bothered contacting her as a lesbian african american- they didn’t bother to contact anyone in the afro amer communities. I had to laugh. NO one was out contacting ANYone for no on 8. It was sadly underrepresented. and excuse me- if that woman is a lesbian who is actively working for polital action- there is no reason for an invitation from what she calls the white majority who represent no on 8. She should have stepped right up to the plate to help fight for her lesbian and gay “family” as well and not use the race card as to why she didn’t. (I see this happen alot and it’s frustrating. I see plenty of other afro/americans working side by side with whites, hispanics, asians, all kinds of races in all k

kinds of situations. In my humble opinion- seperatists thinking, throwing the race card is going to do nothing but keep the blacks seperated from the whites. I believe prop 8 got the yes vote from 80% of the black votes because their roots are tied up in southern based churches where homophobia runs strongest. And that’s what I think. (steps down from soapbox)

Oh ya, I forgot to give her credit in that she agrees that the major reason blacks didn’t support no on 8 was due to their strong connection with church. I give her credit there.

Our fight for equality began in the street. It’s time to take it there, again.

I just put up an entry about this. I believe the majority of people, of any race or religion, support the rights of same-sex couples. You just can’t use the term marriage. Call it anything else. Marriage is a “straight” thing to many.