The holocaust happened, regardless of how you feel

Holocaust denial is one of those things that pisses me off to no end. I took advanced history/religion classes in college that specifically discussed the holocaust. I don’t understand how people can claim that it was “all made up.” You do raise an interesting point with this.

Bleach will kill you if you drink it? Well damn. You learn something new every day.

I lost family in the Holocaust… Frankly this whole planet makes me sick. The reason I ahve so little faith in God is that people worship him. What a foul design to create creatures like us. How frail a being we are to fear an idea and to follow an idea with blind faith. I know what ATB was getting at ..but frankly it just sickens me that we have lived like that for such a long time.

Once again, you raise some interesting points on religion fanatacism. (sp?) Funny how some Christians are such because it “feels good” like the person in red text said…but they denounce doing anything else that “feels good,” like drugs, wild sex and partying your head off. I must say, however, that going with the “feels good” approach is a pretty good way to choose a religion. If it doesn’t (c)

(c) make you happy, then its time for a change. Which is why I left Christianity in my early teens, and am now somewhat of a pagan/spiritualist/something-or-other. *shrugs* I make it up as I go.

Some of us didn’t choose Christianity just because we felt good about it. Some of us researched it carefully and discovered the truth….and because of that…we believe.

I kinda have to agree with you on this, Mr. Bum. Too many people get so wrapped up in the feelings of religion that they never really reach the meaning of Christianity: a relationship with the Creator. I read a quote one day that said “It is against my relationship to have a religion.” It’s so true! Too many churches these days use emotionalism and religion to get people to become Christians.

To begin with, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Belief in the non-existence of the holocaust is widely different than belief in a god/s. But, on your general thrust, I happen to agree. I came to faith by evaluating all the worldviews, and I chose the one that made the most sense to the way I see life. I would prefer more Christians would be on that train,it would make more sense, for sure.

“Belief in the non-existence of the holocaust is widely different than belief in a god/s.” All right, then consider that I’m only concerned with the historical claims made – that Jesus existed, died, rose again – based off of how she feels about that. In that scope, my analogy fits perfectly.

No, I still don’t believe it is. The time aspect still has to be considered. There are all kinds of people still alive today who ‘purportedly’ lived through the Holocaust. The same can’t be said of Christianity. It’s an unfair example. Try something like the Romans invading Judea in 70 AD or something of that ilk. I guess I’m just being picky, but the examples don’t seem remotely alike to me.

Your holocaust example fits atheism better, a statement of disbelief. The red is a person affirming their belief, the blue a person reveling in their disbelief. I too lost family in the holocaust, but I think deniers are just silly stupid people, not a scourge that must be made to know the “truth”. I mean what are silly stupid going to do with the truth, bum?

What is truth, is truth unchanging law? We both have truths are mine the same as your?” — From the Pontius Pilate song in Jesus Christ Superstar. I’d qoute scriptures atcha but shoot even the devil can qoute scriptures.

You seem very angry about something that I dont think you really understand. Still, if this is what you’re angry about, there is tons of evidence out there concerning this that could be presented to you. You can choose to believe it or not, but one thing is clear- the evidence is very very real and it demands a decision from anyone who hears it.

P.S. The holocaust DID happen. Good analogy.

feelings are one way we perceive the reality — faith is a matter of personal choice — there is no logic behind it since there is no solid scientific proof of God’s existence — i agree with you that people should think more in general than just going with the flow, but faith is not a valid arena for plain logical thinking

religion is by nature not cerebral. it requires a person to think about things that are not rational. it has very much to do with “soul” and “feelings” because it’s FAITH. jesus lived and was crucified. the resurrection is where the faith and feel-good truth stuff comes in. there’s no hard evidence one way or the other, whereas there is concrete proof (piles of shoes, anyone?) that it happened. why be contemptuous of a woman who believes in jesus

“there is tons of evidence out there concerning this that could be presented to you. You can choose to believe it or not, but one thing is clear- the evidence is very very real and it demands a decision from anyone who hears it” holocaust-deniers can present tons of “evidence” as well. to what standard to we hold them both? -canadagirltn

All you’re seeing is what she wrote, not the continuous relationship between her and Christ. There is proof that God exists all around us – His creation. I’m sorry, but I just can’t believe that a ‘BIG BANG’ created this complexity of a universe. And Darwin even fessed up and said that the whole evolution thing was just a theory and that it had some major holes.