Jesus was a brat. (liz queen response)

Matthew 15:21-28 Basically Jesus goes to Tyre and Sidon. When they got there the Caanite Woman says her daughter is possessed. Jesus testing the disciples faith outwardly refuses and they pick up on it and the woman asks for help. Jesus says what you quoted. She picked up on the test and says “But beggar dogs do get scraps from the master’s table.” Jesus commends her faith and her daughter

became well. Or exuse me “Right then her daughter became well.”

She passed her test and God granted her request.

Ok! O Wise Master Jesus 2.3, do you know what I should have for lunch to give me back my youth? And being Jesus 2.3 I could sure use some help at finding someone to love. I really do need someone to love so I can have someone eat my peanut butter cheese pie called the California Mud Slide. Would you please be so gracious as to answer my prayers?

“Jesus testing the disciples faith…” So Jesus does something that you wouldn’t expect, and this is a test of His? I’m glad you figured out my(Jesus’) plan – You wouldn’t expect Jesus to come back as an atheist, much less one that is critical of the first Jesus and God. This is my test, will you pass? Have faith.

what has god done that’s morally wrong? well if you believe in him then how about all the wars and famines and atrocities of the world that he’s allowed to happen? the religious conflicts which have killed so many and destroyed so many countries, all on his tab?

There’s some childhood gospel – I forget which one, Apocryphon of John or something like that – in which little kid Jesus has a temper and starts killing people he doesn’t like until his parents say, “Now, Jesus. You can’t just kill people because they make you mad.” So he heals them all. It’s pretty amusing.

interesting… don’t quite understand it all, seeing as i’m not at all familiar with christian scripture, but interesting… kudos on your bravery in writing it; as i’m sure you’ve noticed by now, there a quite a handful of fundamentalist in-your-face christians without senses of humor on opendiary… -stazh-

There are tons of stories that were deliberately left out of more recent versions of the Bible, because they portray Jesus as a young teenager who would get so angry at someone and use his supreme powers to kill him, but then feel bad about it and raise the man from the dead. I hate it when people say Jesus was totally without sin. What about the time in the temple when he found out they were…

…handling money, and he became so enraged that he flipped over their money tables and screamed at them to get out?? Anger is a sin, remember. Sheesh.

Interesting…Jesus always struck me more as the hippy type…

ryn: “Don’t bother talking sense into fools they’ll only poke fun at your words.” Proverbs 23:9 If you want me to leave you alone I will, but being able to answear your every remark shows undying patience yuou must admit. From now on I think I will just quote scripture to you that way you cannot say that I’m stupid because I’m not using my own words I’m using God’s.

My daughter and I ask: Is this a showing of how Jesus will be accepted when and if he comes back? On the other hand you are right in one sence of the scriptures. You are Jesus. As ye treat others is how you will treat me. If Jesus comes back a gay black woman from France or Iraq just think how s/him would be treated. Especially if s/he were not Christian but muslim. Neither side would have him/h

For the note above to be Jesus had righteous anger and being angry at sinful behavior like what was taking place in the temple is not sin the Bible says “Be ye Angry and sin not..” Jesus was angry at the sin the people where commiting in the Lords house so Jesus did not sin by getting angry. Jesus never once got angry without a righteous and holy reason and it was always anger towards sin ..

he was never angry at anyone on a personal level it was their sin he was angry about. alot of times when we get angry at someone without cause which is sinful Christ never did that. There is a big difference between righteous anger and unrighteous anger so befor you start accusing Christ of sin you might want to do a little further research into the Bible reading it in the context God intended.

“he was never angry at anyone on a personal level” That’s a pretty bold claim – how can you even think of backing that up??? Maybe, his fan club never wrote about a time when he got mad on a ‘personal level’? Does that mean that HE WAS NEVER ANGRY at anyone? Not in the least.

i wonder if you actually believe all this crap that you say, or if you just feel like… i dunno. challenging others. *shrugs*

RYN: I asked a Bible Answering website your question, which I have wondered about before myself. This is what they said: God forgave David after he confessed his sin. David also recognized that his son was in the presence of God, where he had faith to believe he would also go.

(cont.) The child was not punished – but spared living in what was to become a very dysfunctional household (read the rest of 2 Samuel). The innocent little one was in God’s presence. Can’t be anything better than that – that’s what heaven is all about. 2 Samuel 12:15-23

smile god loves you says silly things. chesliemeanie2005

“God forgave David after he confessed his sin.” Fabulous! God can forgive your sins after you confess your sins… So, if God can forgive sins like that, what was the point of Jesus’ sacrifice?

what a silly arguement. Letting you set the terms… I don’t believe in god. Let’s argue about something real, like where the other 2/3 of the universe are.

what was the point of jesus’s “sacrifice”? Humans relate better to people who suffer. It was gOd using propoganda with an emotional response. If I were a christian, I might say, “It helps our feeble minds believe in Him.”

Ow. My ear hurts.

Waa!

Saying gOd is morally perfect is like saying that gOd is the basis for good and evil. However, do what he says, not what he does. Only kill when he tells you to, and only “seek truth” when he tells you to. In other words, listen to what he says, accept it as truth and then vegitate. Anything gOd doesn’t tell you, he doesn’t want you to know. Double Standard.

“It has to apply to everyone or else it’s meaningless.”–James Kirk, Star Trek.

Isn’t Star Trek a wonderful show? It’s only problem is that Women weren’t allowed to be Captain’s and that was the Network’s fault. I’ve heard that the Creator wanted a woman to be captain, but that the network thought that it wouldn’t be believable or that people would just like it better if it were a guy. I like it that he stood his ground, though, and kept religion off the Enterprise.

God is morally perfect because He decides what morally perfect means.

decide if He exists by the spirit….is something i cant really explain. if i could lend you my spirit for a while, then you’d know…but otherwise its like me explaining my love for a friend of mine and getting you to feel love for that person simply by hearing about them. sure, you could feel compassion, but usually to love somoene, you have to meet them. i cant tell you how.

i try my best not to question God, because thus far, every time i have, He has proved me foolish for doing so. in your case, however, you certainly have not been proving me foolish. although all this silly arguing is a tad tiresome.

RYN: (from website): In regards to David’s son dying, we have to remember that his son was born out of an adulterous affair with Bathsheba. Both David and Bathsheba were married when they had the affair, and Bathsheba became pregnant as a result of the affair (2Samuel chapter 11). Then David has Uriah, Bathsheba’s husband killed in battle (2 Samuel chapter 12).

David then proceeds to take Bathsheba as his wife. Why did God take the baby? Likely because it would be the most painful reminder to David of how God views sin. Remember, though, that when they baby died, he was taken to Heaven (2Samuel 12:23). So it is not as if God was punishing the baby. How did God forgive David? Since the fall of man, the basis of salvation has always been the death of

Christ. No one, either prior to the cross nor since the cross, would ever be saved without that one pivotal event in the history of the world. Christ’s death paid the penalty for past sins of Old Testament saints and future sins of New Testament saints. The requirement for salvation has always been faith. The object of one’s faith for salvation has always been God.

The psalmist wrote, “Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him” (Ps 2:12). Genesis 15:6 tells us that Abraham believed God and that was enough for God to account it to him for righteousness (see also Romans 4:3-8). The Old Testament sacrificial system did not take away sin, as Hebrews 9:1-10:4 clearly teaches. It did, however, point to the day when the Son of God would shed His blood for

sinful human race. What has changed through the ages is the content of a believer’s faith. God’s requirement of what must be believed is based on the amount of revelation He has given mankind up to that time. This is called progressive revelation. Adam believed Him, demonstrated by the nature he gave Eve (v.20) and the Lord indicated His acceptance immediately by covering them with coats of

skin (v.21). At that point that is all Adam knew, but he believed it. Abraham believed God according to the promises and new revelation God gave him in Genesis 12 and 15. Prior to Moses, no Scripture was written, but mankind was responsible for what God had revealed. Throughout the Old Testament, believers came to salvation because they believed that God would someday take care of their sin

problem. Today, we look back, believing that He has already taken care of our sins on Calvary (John 3:16; Hebrews 9:28). What about believers in Christ’s day, prior to the cross and resurrection, what did they believe? Did they understand the full picture of Christ dying on a cross for their sins? in his ministry, “Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer

many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day” (Matt. 16:21). What was the reaction of His disciples to this message? “Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, ‘‘Far be it from you, Lord; this shall not happen to you!'” (16:22). Peter, and the other disciples, did not know the full truth, yet they were saved because they

believed that God would take care of their sin problem. They didn’t exactly know how He would accomplish that, any more than how Adam, Abraham, Moses, or David knew, but they believed God. Today, we have more revelation than people living before the cross, we know the full picture. “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last

days spoken to us by His Son” (Heb 1:1-2). Our salvation is still based on the death of Christ, our faith is still the requirement for salvation, the object of our faith is still God, today for us the content of our faith is that Christ died for our sins, that He was buried, and that He rose the third day (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

“what was the point of Jesus’ sacrifice?” If you recall before Jesus, in order for God to forgive your sins, Christians believed in sacrificing. (goats, rams, lambs, etc.) After Jesus was crucified there was no longer a need for that, Jesus was the the ultimate sacrifice. (but of course being Jesus yourself, you would think you already knew that, so pardon me for stating the obvious)

You expend so much energy trying to deny the Lordship of Christ. Why don’t you put your energies to better use. It’s clear to me that you are continuously attempting to convince yourself that Jesus isn’t the Messiah. Maybe if you write enough about it, you’ll actually believe it someday. What A Shame!

Do you like the movie Donnie Darko? Can you explain it to me? I like the song Mad World. I have seen Donnie Darko twice and I still don’t understand it.

it sounds like you argue just for shits and giggles, cuz your logic is completely flawed, as is the way you twist scriptures to fit your agenda. grow up.

As for the above noter- How many times do I have to say that scriptures ARE NOT fact. WAKE UP people. It’s a BOOK. A BOOK for crying out loud. Written by several different people and their INTERPRETATION of what may or may not have happened. If it was god’s word they would all be the SAME and more than one person would NOT have to write it. You don’t get it. That book is flawed in entirity

(2) – You twist your own damn scriptures to fit YOUR needs. NO ONE knows what that BOOK means but the author. Plain and simple. You are going on your own interpretation of what you THINK each verse means. Duh, do you not realize that? Or are you so f*cked in the head that you believe everything you are told/you read. (This is still to the above anon-noter)

I am still in awe of you, man. Rawk. *take scraps from the Master’s table eh?” Well people. I am spechul.. why dont all just worship me? HUH! HUH! *Just kidding*

Hope you’re having a GREAT holiday weekend despite all the BS associated with it. *HUGS!*