What up with the 400-character limit?

Thanks for supplying me with some verses, [FarduiRassgat]. I’m making a new entry to respond because the 400-character thing annoys the crap out of me. Here are all your notes:

OK, here are some things to look at. I will be seeing someone who has more resources than me on Thursday so hopefully I will have an A -> B on it for you, but I have some of my own research for you. Rev 9:11 is referenced to Rev 9:1 which is referenced to Luke 10:18, whose verses read as follows according to KJV…

Rev 9:11

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

(Abaddon hebrew definition says it is the Destroyer, or destruction, and also references directly to the devil.)…

Rev 9:1

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

(In several places in the bible, star does reference to an angel.)…

Luke 10:18

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

(The 2 verses above reference this one, which talks directly of Satan’s fall from heaven, and in Revelation 9:11 it speaks of that person as being “the angel of the bottomless pit”. [FarduiRassgat]

I think you’re still making some hermeneutical leaps here based on preconceptions and footnotes that subscribe to those preconceptions.

We get from the two Revelations verses you cite that the “star” who falls from heaven to the earth and is given the key to the bottomless pit is an angel named Destruction. You propose that this angel is the same entity as Satan or the devil, who is generally referred to in Revelation as the dragon. The reason you give for this interpretation is that the angel Destruction fell from heaven, and Christ also mentioned that Satan had fallen from heaven. This only holds water if you claim that only one entity can have fallen from heaven. But Revelation 12:7-9, referenced in my entry, clearly describes an event where more than one entity fell from heaven: “…there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.” If we interpret “star” as meaning “angel” in Revelation 12:4 as well, where the dragon’s tail “swept away a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth,” then fully a third of the angels in heaven fell from heaven to the earth, which means that a third of all non-Satan angels could be accurately described as having fallen from heaven. Why shouldn’t Destruction have been one of them?