+Strange and Stranger

I just met a young man (19) who has perhaps the strangest approach to God I’ve ever encountered.  He’s a student of mine;  quite bright, enthusiastic, easy to work with and easy to talk to.  We got to talking about faith after we were done with math for the day. (I asked him what he was doing for Easter.)

His mom’s an Old Believer (ie, an offshoot of the Russian Orthodox), and his dad’s at least nominally Catholic.  He himself is just strange. 🙂  Not attending any church, though that’s scarcely unusual in a college student.

He believes in God.  God is the Creator, the transcendant.  God was incarnate in Jesus.  He accepts the Gospels (and apparently the Pentateuch, though he only mentioned Genesis) as authentic revelation.  While he agrees that the rest of the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit (and thus God), he thinks it isn’t quite on the same level:  The Gospels, in particular, are the direct words of God, and therefore on an entirely different plane.  I can definitely see where he’s coming from there, though of course there are any number of caveats along the way.

He also seems to think that faith is primarily about being a good person.  This also is scarcely unusual.  The weird part is coming.

He views God as being completely unknowable.  He does not see any possibility of having a direct relationship of any kind with God – at any rate from his own side.  He was emphatic that he is not a deist – he believes God is doing all sorts of things in the universe, including with him.  But he can’t even begin to comprehend what those things might be and doesn’t try.  He claims to be unable, personally, to comprehend what it could possibly mean to love God.

At this point I brought up Jesus, of course.  "Whoever has seen me, has seen the Father."  He said that Jesus is God, and therefore equally unknowable.  (He says he cannot relate to Jesus as a human being because he can’t conceive how human and divine natures could be one.  Neither can anyone else of course, but that doesn’t seem to stop us from loving him…)  He agrees amiably that Jesus died on the Cross for his salvation.  I asked him if he felt grateful for that.  He said not really, because he can’t comprehend salvation.  He accepts that Heaven and Hell exist, but he says they are entirely irrelevant to his life.  (I tried talking about Heaven as union with God – that’s when I found out that his brain simply excludes the idea of such union.)

I think his problem is excessive rationalism.  If he can’t understand something and walk all ’round it, it goes into a box that he can’t do anything with.  (He’s very careful to distinguish between "rational proof" and "belief".)  But it puzzles me why such a person would even call himself a believer at all, and he does.  He says he doesn’t fully understand it himself and can’t explain it.

In practice, even if not in theory, it’s agnosticism.  I just wish I could find a way to penetrate it.  He was not opposed to the idea of coming to Mass with me, though he didn’t think he’d at all be able to relate to it.  He was opposed to praying with me, because he said it made him uncomfortable.  I think that discomfort has to be at the root of whatever it is.

It’s going to be an interesting term with this guy.  He isn’t at all opposed to talking about it, and even waxes enthusiastic about the topic.

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April 7, 2006

Praying that this guy will be set free and accept Jesus into his heart. Thanks for sharing with us.

It sounds like he is trying to be as honest as possible with himself and others, and doesn’t accept anything he doesn’t understand. It sounds like he has the potential of a very deep faith.

Hmmm a view that I can’t honestly say I’v ever heard before.. and believe me I’ve heard them all.. A bit refreshing actually, to know that there are still some unique thinkers out there.

Yes there is a large distinction, but given the opportunity I’d do far more than slap them in the face with it, I’d strike them down with it. For the simple reason that I can, and would get a kick out of it. As for my views.. Well, that’s for another day entirely. 😉

Even without backing or reasons, I can still see some value to being unique like that. It shows that you can think for yourself, and come to your own conclusions, rather than having someone hand them to you. They might not be necessarily right, but they are your own. It shows strength, to me.

Ah yes, I did not mean to imply that someone without views of their own has no strength. I simply mean that the strength in a person is more obvious at a glance when they are like that.

April 8, 2006

This is deffinitely an intellectually stimulated man, I can’t really see it any other way. I like some of his views on religion(argueably I am agnostic). I must ask, though, what defines a Believer? He did amdit to believing in God anbd in Christ.(I’v only ever heard people define a believer as one who accepts that God exists, Christ exists, and Christ died and was ressuerected for our sins).

hello, thanks for leaving a note. i meant that i dont care about what everybody is saying about computer science, and i love to study comupters. my English is not well enough that your advice helps me a lot, thanks.

ryn: thanks. I think it is just a really sensitive subject that people have strong feelings about.

April 9, 2006

Forensics is competitive acting. Hoe are you?