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Wow I am all sorts of confused right now. Anger, shame, embarrassment, and anger again. Confused.
Please be as honest as possible with feedback because I need outsiders’ opinions on this. For validation of either anger, or that I am actually a crazy bitch.
Yesterday Paco and I went to breakfast together. He started telling me what was on his agenda for next week. Snowboarding Sunday, getting a drink with a fried Monday, blah blah Tuesday, etc.
Immediately my girlfriend bells started ringing, very quietly and low but they were there.
Which friend? I asked. Fully expecting it to be that girl I was all weirded out about a few months ago because I saw in his texts (crazy girlfriend alert) that he was going to meet up with her, but he never mentioned it so I couldn’t ask or mention without it being obvious that I’d betrayed his trust and violated his belongings. So I left it as it left my mind (sort of).
He said, “Melissa.” I said, “who is Melissa?” he said, “just a friend…” I said, “huh, I’ve never heard of her. Why are you meeting up?” he said, “just to have a drink…” My mind started short circuiting, because usually when he mentions friends or people I haven’t heard of, he’s very up front and almost excited for me to know about another person in his life and says things like “you’d really like him/her” and vise versa. So the ambiguity of his answers this time, about someone completely foreign to me… Not even a reference to her in Facebook or otherwise… Was odd.
I took his short ambiguous answers and had an intense reaction. Like something was wrong. His behavior was just… different from what I’ve seen in the past.
My body started shaking and my mind was running. I tried to hide it, but I couldn’t shake it. Even a trip to the bathroom to purposely calm down didn’t work.
Obviously he sensed my change in mood and I wasn’t exactly hiding it very well.
We talked it out some more and he said that he has a lot of friends that he may meet up with from time to time and some I may have never heard of and some I have, and would I like a list of his friends?
I mean, really. That’s kind of insulting. I don’t think it’s out of line to be curious about him randomly meeting up with someone I’ve never heard of.
I told him that, and that it wasn’t the meeting up that bothered me, it was his reaction to my questions that threw me.
He got pretty frustrated and I felt stupid but still somehow strong in my instinct.
He told me that he knew her through the bartender at his favorite bar and they’ve been friends for awhile and she works at Boeing and has a dog. Okay.
I asked again why they were meeting up, and he said, “she is going through a difficult time right now and wants to meet up to talk about it.”
Well, why didn’t you just say that? That’s all I needed to know. Usually there is a motivation behind those things, I said.
Moved on. Sort of. I still had a feeling in my gut about it, that didn’t go away through the whole day. Not after attending a work dinner for him, or going to see Cirque Du Soleil, or awesome love sex at night. The instinct was still there.
So, this morning he went to the bathroom to get ready for snowboarding and I looked at his Facebook. Knowing that it was probably through Facebook chat that they made the plans.
Sure enough. I scrolled up, looking through previous months.
“I miss you!” “I miss your face!” “I really want to see you!” (from her) The most recent one, from Friday, they talked about a mutual friend and she was saying that he hit on her and that she wasn’t even remotely attracted to him. Then she said, “but I am attracted to you!”
Even just writing it makes my blood cold.
He didn’t reciprocate but also didn’t mention having a girlfriend and was more than willing to meet up.
I am shaking writing this. My phone is about to fall out of my hands.
I closed the browser and deleted the history and picked up his phone to look at his texts. Not as incriminating but I did see that he texted her first and said, “here’s my number!”
Paco came out of the bathroom and I laid there, unable to move or figure out a strategy to say something… He laid down next to me and said I’m so pretty… And I was shaking.
Not only did he lie to me about the motivation – she is not going through a difficult time and needs someone to talk to – but he is willingly meeting up with someone who clearly wants to jump his bones as recently as fucking friday.
He immediately sensed something was wrong, I am not good at hiding things. I said I just had a bad dream. He asked what it was, I said I couldn’t tell him without sounding like a crazy person. He said he knows I’m not crazy (but I am) and I told him that I had a dream about him meeting up with his friend…. And that I don’t know if I was there but in dreamland I witnessed the whole thing, and it was really disturbing because he didn’t meet up with her for the reasons he told me. And that I was really awful witnessing them.
He said, Boo, it’s just a dream. You can’t let that be your reality. (but it is reality.)
I said, I know, I know it sounds crazy but I have just had this terrible nagging instinctive feeling since you told me about it. And I don’t know… if I believe you.
He jumped a bit, and said “have I ever done anything that would make you doubt me or not trust me?” “No…” (YES THIS) (and you can’t trust me either, I am a snooping violator)
“I am not attracted to this girl.” (but she is attracted to you, I know this!) “She has a boyfriend.”
Another fucking dagger through my heart with a lie. She doesn’t have a boyfriend. She wants him. I read it. And she told him about other people hitting on her. She. Doesn’t. Have. A. Boyfriend.
He said he was going to cancel. I told him that I dont normally have this strong of a reaction, naturally, and I am trying to make it quiet down but it is burning. I told him not to cancel. At this point, the damage is done.
He said he is canceling, that he’s not going to threaten what we have by meeting up with someone that doesn’t mean anything to him.
I said I’m sorry, I know it sounds crazy and I’ve never felt this way with any other friends. He said, this is going to be an issue. I have a lot of friends… And if this happens every time….
I wanted so badly to tell him that I knew. I saw. I read. I’m sorry, but you’re lying and I feel like I can’t be upset about it because the way I found out was by betraying you.
He left to go snowboarding and I left to go home and stew in my confusion.
I don’t know what to do. I want him to know that I know. But I can admit that I did what I did. I try to justify it in my head, think of some way I could make him understand… “do you know how hard it is to know something to be true but not have proof? I needed proof” – fuck. That doesn’t work.
I will be labeled crazy either way. Either I’m crazy for suspecting, or I’m crazy for suspecting and then snooping.
My instincts were right. Even scarier.
Help.
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Thank you all for your notes. It is interesting, but not surprising, that all of you have unique experiences and relationships and would handle this situation differently than each other. Makes sense really, especially knowing all of you as well as I do.
After crying in my bed and reading online about relationship experts’ advice regarding my position and also Paco’s, and talking to my mom (crying to my mom), I decided what I’m going to do and why.
First of all. What bothers me about Paco’s side is that he lied to me. Honesty is a trait in a relationship that is fundamental in its core and foundation. He fucked up.
If I expect him to be honest with me, I, too, have to be honest with him. Even if it makes me look bad. And it does. I will have to deal with the repercussions and that’s just a part of life. It fucking sucks that I felt the need to snoop in the first place, but I did and I will take the consequences.
It is going to hurt.
I am meeting with him in an hour at his apartment. He knows I’m upset and that we’re going to have a talk…
I’m going to start by telling him that I doubted him and had an intuitive reaction to his odd behavior and that nothing sat well with me. Not even questioning him got me anywhere because he was ambiguous and seemed to peg me as just being jealous (“do you want me to give you a list of my friends?”).
I didn’t know what to do, to confirm or deny my suspicions. So in a moment of weakness and opportunity, I looked at his Facebook messages with her.
I know it was wrong. It violates and I am having a hard time even admitting to myself that I did that.
Then I will give him the opportunity to come clean. Let him admit. I don’t want to accuse, because his explanation may make sense…. Regardless, he lied to me and I need to know why and we need to figure out what is wrong that made him lie and we need to fix it.
The fact that I have clear motivation and suspicion that was confirmed puts me in a different spot to him. I am admitting up front that I did a bad thing, and he is going to have to admit without knowing exactly what I know.
My perfect relationship is undergoing its first real test. I know I fucked up, I know he fucked up. The real test is how we recover.
I’m scared as hell.
Ugh, not okay, you’re not crazy. I would be upset too, seriously. It’s a good idea he cancelled, and he should. With comments like that from her, he should just stay away.
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Ugh, this sucks, you’re not crazy. Good that he seems to be thinking about this and realizing it’s not worth it…I’d keep a close eye though.
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Ugh. Im sorry. This sucks. You shouldnt have invaded his privacy and he shouldnt be such a liar. Unfortunately, I have no advice.
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I don’t think I’d be able to keep that to myself. It would eat me alive. If you can deal with the repercussions of snooping, I’d tell him and work through this… Lying to you is terrible, and now you’re going to question everything.
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Hmm. No, you haven’t done anything wrong, in my eyes, you’re just trying to protect what’s yours. Does his FB say “in a relationship with Becky” or whatever?
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I just re-read this entry, and here’s what I think now: I think she’s attracted to him and she’s giving him the green light. That’s always going to happen to him, since he’s handsome and frisky. I’m sure he would love the ego boost of meeting up with her. You know what she’ll do. She’ll get tipsy and throw herself at him after she’s whined about her problems to him. She’ll act like she can’tdrive home, somehow she’ll get him to drive her home or whatever. So the Judgement of Paco is how he responds then. Does he see her home and then turn her down? A nice man would. But he is human! Guys are always ready to go. Biologically, they are always attracted to some strange. So, I can’t really blame him. In a way, you would be a guy’s dream, by letting him do this. Personally? I would let him do it, then spy on him! I really would. Or send a friend to spy on him. Or even just drive by to check on cars and times there, etc. But I totally understand your hurt.
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heres what i think. the phone sneaking is BAD. the sneaky snooping is just BAD. Don’t get me wrong – i do it. i try not to. i really do. but i’ve been SO FUCKED before that i do. sometimes. You on the other hand…. he’s never done anything (well before now) to make you not trust him. last night christopher snooped through my phone and saw that Hansen had been texting me…..so great. he doesn’t trust me either. i don’t know what to do about this trust stuff. i really don’t. i don’t know how to rebuild it because it doesn’t seem to work. you aren’t being crazy. its fucking shady – those messages and that girl. meeting up with a girl he KNOWS wants him, is disrespectful to you. i think you should just be honest about how you FEEL without disclosing what you did. Say it really doesn’t make you comfortable that he’s going to meet this girl alone, without you. And he’s canceling so its fine. the problem SHOULD hopefully go away…
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No fucking way!! Snoop away my friend, u have to tell him what u seen & have it out with him. This kinda thing happened with Phil & I at the beginning of our relationship too, I snooped & found done stuff.. I told him, it’s either me or it’s over? If ur in a committed relationship, u shouldn’t need to meet up with girls! If it’s a ‘friend’ then he should take u & it be a three way date.
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If he gave her his number, I would check his phone!!! Sorry but im a bitch & men cannot be trusted!! I still check Phils phone every few months, but there is nothing anymore of course!! Otherwise I would rip off his balls 🙂
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And fuck what everyone else says about trusting a man 100%, I only trust Phil 90%, I believe any man given the green light would consider cheating if they could get away with it, so snooping is not bad & now ur going to have it in the back of ur mind.. Sorry but he has done wrong & how dare him give out his number to someone that is attracted to him, seriously I would be furious!
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People tend to overreact and act crazy defensive when they’re lying!!! I don’t know what to make of this. Maybe he truly just wants to chill and likes the attention she gives him but has no intentions of letting anything happen. I had guy friends who I truly cherished as friends and they Flat out admitted they liked me but I tried to ignore it so I could still be their friend.
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I’m going to be the only person siding with Paco… but only slightly. One, how do you KNOW she doesn’t have a boyfriend? Maybe she does and she’s just flirting with him. Either way, he may have been honest about that. And maybe she DOES need to talk to him and they talked in another way. I would always give a guy the benefit of the doubt. And the snooping was BAD. BAD BAD. It makes you crazy
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even if you aren’t crazy. So no more snooping. As for what I would do, I would fess up to snooping. I mean, otherwise, you’ve invaded his privacy and who’s to say you won’t do it again? You can’t let that be a recurring thing in your relationship. However– I don’t think he should be having flirty conversations with her on FB and certainly shouldn’t meet up with her or text her. So you’re right
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about that part. Just give him the benefit of the doubt. He may not be lying. The only way to find out is to come clean and let him explain himself. That or you assume what he’s being truthful about and let that impact you. Last point, I don’t like that he said your “jealousy” would be an “issue.” You feel jealous, he talks you down. That’s how it should go. Not he acts like you’re wrong.
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God. First of all, you are not crazy. Everyone snoops. I would have the same feelings and would have done everything that you did (going through his stuff). Clearly he lied, is lying.. whatever. This is shady. You feel it in your bones, I feel it in mine.
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And I agree with Merry President. Let him decide his own fate. Maybe he really will be a stand up guy. Maybe he won’t. Won’t know until he acts.
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This makes sense – good luck!
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I just read this. WTF. I’m with on the fact that he was weird it. I also don’t like how he got on the defensive and shifted it to you (as in, “do you want to give me a list of all my friends?”). If this isn’t something he does all the time, and if he normally brings you or at least describes who the person is without you even trying to pry, then yeah, I’d be WTF too.
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And lets be honest, how many guy friends do you kinda know that you call up and vent about problems. Maybe its innocent. But it sounds shady as fuck. I’m sure he isn’t leading into this, but I feel like he knows its shady, and maybe is doesn’t have the guts to let her down and keep things good with you. I think you should say what you’re going to say. Girl has gotta trust her gut.
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Definitely seems fishy. I would be upset if my girlfriend looked through my texts. However, given what you found, I feel like he doesn’t have a leg to stand on in an argument. I really want to know how this plays out. I’m here for you! Team Bex all the way!
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Don’t be scared, because you will feel liberated no matter what. I hope the talk goes/went well.
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How did it go?
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I don’t think you fucked up. Instinct says a lot. It’s fucked up that he lied. There’s no harm in him hanging out with a friend, but putting himself in a shady position with a girl who is attracted to him when he is with you and he knows that she’s into him is messed up. Stand your ground because sometimes there’s reason to snoop. Sometimes there’s reason to be concerned and sometimes
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, I think, snooping is a legit thing to do. I am so sorry this happened. So so so sorry. You’re doing the right thing and it’s scary to deal with these kinds of things. I’m sure the two of you will work it out, but you are doing the right thing by being honest and talking it all over. Love you girl. Stay strong!
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