Psychology of a former working girl
Recently I had the chance to engage the mind of a young, sharp-minded woman who used to sell her sexual companionship on Craigslist. The most unique element to her is that she doubles as a clear-headed and successful person in the ‘real world’ who may not have needed the extra money brought-in via meeting men via Craigslist ads posted by those men.
(***note: Craigslist no longer allows "business personals" that are blatantly ads for prostitution)
The woman shared unaltered viewpoints about her time selling sex which both disappointed me a bit, and at the same time seemed so in-line with every logical and psychological bit of understanding I’ve ever known on the subject, that I wanted to document them here.
While telling her about time I spent a while back with a particular young woman, this other woman told of having felt "really, really sad (for the girl)". She told of having been reminded of herself as a very young teenager, and of the young woman having sounded "like a scared little girl".
Something about the seeming innocence in the young woman in the story is what made this older, former working girl especially sad. The former working girl then shared the following:
"I just remember how awful and absolutely dehumanizing it felt for me during my first "trick", because I just felt utterly worthless as a person, and I can’t imagine those feelings at such a young age."
She then added: "(I’m) just sharing my perspective… I don’t write much about the negative feelings I had during my time in the "business", but they were definitely there"
Most significant of all was this addition: "I will say that during that time, the thing that made me feel the most disgusting was when a customer would run his hands all over me… sort of felt like I was getting pawed-at and handled like a piece of meat (even if he meant it as foreplay or nice touch or whatever). Letting a guy fuck me was no big deal, but having to pretend to enjoy myself with a stranger’s hands all over me… reading your description brought some of that back for me".
Wow – those were heavy words to read!
Even so, I responded: "oh geez, now that is so (expected by me)… and it so figures that while I am just cherishing the nearest thing to ‘closeness’ (with a female human) that I ever get… it is "the worst" for them".
The woman then went on to add that her present boyfriend, doing the same touching, … "feels great" and "for a customer to do it made me feel absolutely dirty and awful".
She then compared her paid experiences to those of past one-night stands: "with a one-night stand, where we’re kind of on "equal" footing, if I want to leave right after fucking I can. If I don’t want to get cuddled on, I don’t have to. It was the customers who wanted to touch me and just lie down with me that felt like a violation because I felt like I had no way out of it".
I then responded: "here again, the trend of those who become sort of used to being taken advantage of… just being taken advantage of over and over again… where once someone wants to show appreciation of them… that’s when it gets dicey for them"
She added: "I understand where you’re coming from with the appreciation, but from my perspective it never felt like appreciation when men would touch me like that… it kind of felt like: ‘I paid for you, so I own your whole body and you have to put up with this’ or something".
Next I pointed out that "It doesn’t feel like paying for the seeming ‘raw material’ that is sex… but instead, paying so I myself can ‘approach’ with confidence I never otherwise have".
She then said: "yeah, but if you approached someone and there was no money involved, then either person feels free to say "hey, I don’t like that" or "don’t touch me there" or whatever. When one person has paid, that person clearly has the upper hand, and the paid person kind of feels like she has to just take whatever he wants to dish out".
Then I added: "I appreciate that in the context of the extremes relating to what he might dish out, but I never felt like I was demanding, or inappropriate considering the situation".
She countered: "You weren’t. The guys who wanted to touch me like that weren’t demanding or inappropriate either, but I felt like I had no way to make it stop, without kind of invalidating the transaction or something. And I can fully appreciate how nice and comforting it is to be touched like that… by someone I care about, but some guy I don’t know… it just feels WAY too intimate".
I then noted our differing perceptions: "In some ways, what if women always have the upper hand with regard to all things sex-related… and what if the fee only helps to alter that balance? (now of course feminists and all won’t agree with that whatsoever… but it is pretty near to the way it plays-out in society)"
She then offered: " I don’t think I ever had the upper hand when it comes to this particular topic, though. I mean, money has changed hands, the man expects certain things for that money, and in most cases he is a good deal stronger than me, so I definitely never really felt "the upper hand" once we were already in the moment" before adding: "The girl only has the upper hand during the "negotiating". Once money has changed hands, the man definitely has the power".
Here is where I should have pointed out that most of male-female interaction is all about "negotiating" for sex. Just think of how much time you could save at singles’ bars by refusing to do any of the routine "negotiating". Men simply don’t have any interest in women with whom they don’t see themselves as "negotiating" for sex in some way.
She later added: "as much as I kind of hated my time as a hooker, I do sort of hope that I was at least one guy’s
‘favorite’ ".
Before long I said: "I sit here, dwelling on this topic, and feeling such a void
in terms of how much I’d adore the chance to be ‘close’ to someone… and it just, really, isn’t likely to be in the cards for me"
Another highlight was when she said, about her boyfriend: "I can comfortably spend hours just lying in bed with him and talking while he runs his hands over me".
To which I responded: "… and yet, this makes you most uncomfortable when in the context of (‘the biz’ )"
She added: "with him, it just feels right. I don’t know how to explain it well"
I later said: "the part you said about the clients touching you being the worst part, fits so steadily with the idea that you’d balk at sincere guys, and be more comfortable with guys who have a bit of an edge to them".
This person basically represented in some detail the ‘norm’ for a young woman in the business, but she has the extreme fortune of no longer being a part of it while also being considerably young as well as being articulate enough to offer clarity where so many with like experiences seem to have only additional internal battles lined-up. It surely helps that the woman with whom I shared this dialog didn’t have any drug addiction to feed as she looked back on her time in the world’s oldest profession.
I have long understood, logically, that it is likely the deeper intimacy that is most troublesome to women whose life experiences to date have pre-qualified them for a life of prostitution. It remains the society all around us, as a whole, which "pre-qualifies" young people for such a life, and then we as a society inflict "double jeopardy" upon them by rendering it unlawful for them to do the work that we as a society pre-qualified them to do.
Our society’s answer for this is to somehow blame the customer… blame the John, who in nearly all cases came along years if not decades after the point where society had a chance to alter a young person’s fate. There is some guy in the midwest who takes it upon himself to drive all over his city filming prostitutes having sex in cars. What would happen if he put the same energy into catching the child abusers who are first victimizing future prostitutes? He could at the very least vote for the hard-liners who would enforce stringent penalties for child abuse.
Solving a symptom is impossible while simultaneously paying no mind to the underlying problem. Some circles endorse decriminalizing the sale of sex, while simultaneously applying stronger penalties on the purchasers of sex. It might look compassionate on the surface but it too equates to an attempt to make a problem go away by ignoring half or most of the same problem.
I am grateful for having had the chance to know a clear and sharp female mind share very personal feelings which were right in the center of the bullseye of human psychology. That in regard to what was first a very difficult childhood having paved the way toward an early adulthood which included prostitution and a personal vibe which described gentle physical touching being more unnerving than is a raw fuck.
Sounds like the problem lies with her. I don’t think all ladies feel this way.
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If it was so terrible, why do it more than once?
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It makes perfect sense to me.
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No, the problem lies with John. He really doesn’t understand women at all.
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it also makes perfect sense to me.
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It was VERY rare that I ever had a girl come back and say she hated when a client ‘touched’ them. Generally that only came up when the client was an inconsiderate ass. I’m sure some women would always feel this way due to their own issues or situation, can see both sides of this. The agency I worked for was an upscale agency, our girls didn’t ‘walk the streets’ by any stretch of the imagination, but I dont think that makes as much difference as people think. Anyway, to the above noter, yes John does understand women. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t be so interested in this subject. A man that didn’t understand or at least try to understand would write (if he wrote at all) strictly about the fu&*king. Not feelings.
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John why is it that you keep saying you cannot have that type of intimacy with women without paying for it? is there something wrong with you?
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Lol thanks for your note and I don’t mind being on the radar, atleast someone would read me once in a while hahaha 🙂
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hmmm
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I read this as “Psychology of a FARMER working girl” at first. Just thought you should know
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I am 100% in favor of escort services. I have on occasion been intimate with men I shared absolutely no physical or emotional attraction to JUST because they were good men and I believe that everyone should be allowed to experience (even an imitation) of what that is like. But a younger me, minus a number of life lessons prior to now, might’ve felt as she did.
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The psychology of sex for women is vastly different from men because of society’s double-standard. We’re passively-bombarded from a very young age to feel like worthless whores if we have sex with even more than one man in our entire lives (exaggeration, but barely) while a man gets some sort of hall pass and is even congratulated on his conquests. We women are sexual basket cases accordingly.
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RYN \ Well the whole running/boob job thing is actually a big issue for me. That’s primarily why I want B’s and not huge melons. I know my insecurities won’t go away, I’m not expecting them to. I’ve been wanting this surgery for many many years and half of it is vanity, half of it is helping me feel better about my body. The insecurities are deep rooted and aren’t because of my boobs entirely. Having small boobs definitely contributed but the insecurities came way before I even realized I had smaller than normal boobs.
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ryn: There were many words I could have chosen that would have been better….though I’d like to see how well anyone else would have handled that situation while dealing with preggo hormones. 🙂
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ryn, haa! that is funny that you wrote the meaning behind those who continue despite my report that I don’t like it (those other guys simply must not have known what they’re doing – and I’m ‘better’) because that is 99% the reaction I get. Maybe 1% who simply said “Oh ok” and stopped, taking my request at face value, while all the rest figured I’d just never had it done right so they were going to be the hero who showed me the light. With that said, there still IS a difference between those who enjoy it for their OWN pleasure apart from whatever joy they get from thinking they are giving ME pleasure, and those who don’t actually enjoy it themselves but do it solely because they want to give me pleasure. It is the former category I hope and pray not to end up with because then I face denying them or going through with something I truly dislike for THEIR sake. Ideally I want to be with someone that we both mutually enjoy the same things and not a trade off, I’ll do this and put up with something for you, then it’s your turn to do something you dislike and put up for my sake.
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As a former exotic dancer, I can completely understand what she is saying. People always assumed it turned me on to give lap dances, when it usually did the opposite. My job was simply a job. Part of that was convincing my customers I was turned on or I wouldn’t have made any money. Home is diffferent.I have to tell you I love how articulate and respectful you are and I love reading your entries!
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ryn: I don’t really understand what you were trying to get across in that note. You felt sorry for me but then wanted to laugh… ? I’m hoping you didn’t mean that to be as cruel as it sounds. I mean, I thought my parents were a bit harsh in their judgement of my CT. The fact that they’re so protective IS amusing.
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You know, I can totally see where she’d be coming from with the touching feeling like more of a violation than having sex did—if I put myself in that mindset, I’d have to compartmentalize the two to make being a working girl work. Being able to put sex on its own & leaving actual loving, tender touch in two different forums would likely be the only way I could walk away at the end of the day and be OK with having a relationship/sex outside of work.
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ryn;; Oh, no! I’m sorry if my note implied anything more than just a random “hmm, I wonder what I would do.” if it did, that wasn’t my intent!
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ryn: I just tried the Dorito shell tonight and i gotta say…not impressed. I agree it really didnt bring much to the party. And now Im kinda sick. lol.
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ryn “leaves me wondering what you want” – well, at minimum, I want to have good sex. It appears that at this point, the men I date are too old to complete the act if we use a condom, so I cannot have sex until I’m in a long term relationship. That leading to the possibility that I may therefor never have sex again the rest of my life! What I want is not that complicated, I want sex. i.e. intercourse. That was the main thrust of the entry.
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“and the reason you use condoms today… is to be able to keep him ‘safe’ upon meeting” right. I hope that is going to be the case. I’ll focus on that. Thanks for the pep talk.
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Hi John! I am still not getting any “entry updates” from Alazar! it was a sheer coincidence that I went to leave you an entry when I found yours latest there! so I will leave my entry anyway, but then I WILL re-read yours as I feel the need to read it with more time on my hands and I promise, I wil llet you know of my thoughts as I can hear them widgeting in my head already!XXX Lana
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ryn: lol no, I actually tried it before I read your note. ill stick to my chicken soft taco supremes.
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alazar
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Hi, a brief few words to your latest note in Alazar. nothing urgent or important to that matter. and also thank you for your visits 🙂
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maybe now you realise that this is how women feel when you pay them to sleep with you. they don’t enjoy it, and they are probably repulsed by you.
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So, is that just a dare to not stop? Or are you poking fun at me? Or what?
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Ryn – I don’t have a tape measure =/ Lol. Sorry.
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