Pupils ‘to take allegiance oath’
School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship.
Report author, ex-attorney general Lord Goldsmith, says it would give teenagers a sense of belonging.
Council tax and student fee rebates are suggested for people who volunteer – as well as a “Britishness” public holiday.
The PM’s spokesman said he welcomed the “interesting” review, adding that it had sparked “quite a lively debate”.
However, John Dunford from the Association of School and College leaders said the citizenship ceremony was “a half-baked idea”.
Graduation ceremonies
A Scottish Government spokesman said it did not support the plan and did not believe it would find favour with parents or school pupils.
Welsh Deputy First Minister Ieuan Wyn Jones said: “I don’t think that’s appropriate myself.”
And Labour peer Baroness Kennedy said: “I think this is a serious mistake – I think it’s puerile and I think it’s rather silly.
“The symbols of a healthy democracy are not to be found in empty gestures and I’m afraid I see this as an empty gesture.”
Lord Goldsmith, who quit government in June, believes that citizenship ceremonies for teenagers would help improve their sense of what it means to be a British citizen.
“Certainly there isn’t a crisis of national identity, but the research does tend to show there’s been a diminution in national pride, in this sense of belonging,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
“The citizenship ceremonies, which are just one of the many things I have suggested, are a way of marking that passage of being a student of citizenship to a citizen in practice.
“It does make sense to promote a sense of shared belonging, a sense that you are part of a community with a common venture, to integrate better newcomers to our society and be clearer about what the rights and responsibilities are.”
Lord Goldsmith said that while he favours an oath of allegiance to the Queen, the statement could be a pledge of commitment to the country or a statement of what the rights and responsibilities of citizens are.
He also stressed that he could not see why Republicans would not want to swear an oath, even though they may not believe in the present system of government.
However, Graham Smith of the group Republic, which campaigns for the abolition of the monarchy, questioned whether children who refuse to take part will be told “they are somehow less British or less loyal or less patriotic”.
Shadow justice secretary Nick Herbert said people would see straight through “synthetic patriotism” and that it was “profoundly un-British” to make them swear oaths of allegiance.
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said taking an active role in society was a better way of creating a sense of belonging for teenagers than asking people to swear allegiance.
Bank holiday
Citizenship ceremonies already exist for immigrants and the report suggests holding them in schools, where youngsters who are about to leave the school and move on to work or further education could participate.
Lord Goldsmith says a new British national day should be established by 2012 to coincide with the Olympics and what will be the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee.
It could operate in the same way as Australia Day, which is a public holiday on 26 January and is used to celebrate what it means to be an Australian.
And young people who volunteer could receive a reduction in tuition fees, while others who work in the community could be given a small council tax rebate.
A new “Deliberation Day” would be held before each General Election to encourage political debate and other events.
The peer also proposed that ministers should consider withdrawing Commonwealth and Irish citizens’ right to vote in UK elections.
But campaign group Unlock Democracy described this as a “gross insult to expect soldiers to die for this country while removing their right to have a say”.
Lord Goldsmith has called for Britain’s old treason laws to be scrapped or reformed. At the moment they include sleeping with the wife of the heir to the throne, which is punishable by life in prison.
The peer has also hinted at updating the national anthem by removing verses which are rarely performed.
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Published: 2008/03/11 17:02:43 GMT
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Some of these, like the Deliberation Day and reforming the treason laws, are a good idea. Unfortunately, what they are surrounded by is a bunch of complete and utter nonsense.
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Hmm…I’d like a reduction in my tuition fees…but I’d feel cheap getting it by swearing my allegiance. Not that I don’t like being British etc, I just think it’s a bit wrong to bribe students..
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Hmm…I’d like a reduction in my tuition fees…but I’d feel cheap getting it by swearing my allegiance. Not that I don’t like being British etc, I just think it’s a bit wrong to bribe students..
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Hmm…I’d like a reduction in my tuition fees…but I’d feel cheap getting it by swearing my allegiance. Not that I don’t like being British etc, I just think it’s a bit wrong to bribe students..
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I saw this on USAToday.com, and I said that the Pledge is the cheapest and most empty gesture of “patriotism”. ~
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I saw this on USAToday.com, and I said that the Pledge is the cheapest and most empty gesture of “patriotism”. ~
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I saw this on USAToday.com, and I said that the Pledge is the cheapest and most empty gesture of “patriotism”. ~
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The only queen I’d pledge allegiance to is Russell T. Davies!
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The only queen I’d pledge allegiance to is Russell T. Davies!
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The only queen I’d pledge allegiance to is Russell T. Davies!
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Dear Lord. Of all the things you guys could emulate from American history, you pick this one? Why should a 17 year old Londoner be denied a diploma just because maybe he wants to become a Spaniard? I can accept loyalty oaths for the military and for citizenship, but for education, it’s nothing more than indoctrination. You don’t get a ‘sense of belonging’ by being forced to swear an oath.
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Dear Lord. Of all the things you guys could emulate from American history, you pick this one? Why should a 17 year old Londoner be denied a diploma just because maybe he wants to become a Spaniard? I can accept loyalty oaths for the military and for citizenship, but for education, it’s nothing more than indoctrination. You don’t get a ‘sense of belonging’ by being forced to swear an oath.
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Dear Lord. Of all the things you guys could emulate from American history, you pick this one? Why should a 17 year old Londoner be denied a diploma just because maybe he wants to become a Spaniard? I can accept loyalty oaths for the military and for citizenship, but for education, it’s nothing more than indoctrination. You don’t get a ‘sense of belonging’ by being forced to swear an oath.
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Why the bloody hell do we need an English day? What the [censored by omnipotent OD overlords] is Saint George’s day for? If only we celebrated that with the same patriotic gusto as we did Saint Patrick’s day, which isn’t even our day to begin with! I hate to say it, but we Brits are a bit messed up! We can’t even manage our own national football team, for the love of…
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Why the bloody hell do we need an English day? What the [censored by omnipotent OD overlords] is Saint George’s day for? If only we celebrated that with the same patriotic gusto as we did Saint Patrick’s day, which isn’t even our day to begin with! I hate to say it, but we Brits are a bit messed up! We can’t even manage our own national football team, for the love of…
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Why the bloody hell do we need an English day? What the [censored by omnipotent OD overlords] is Saint George’s day for? If only we celebrated that with the same patriotic gusto as we did Saint Patrick’s day, which isn’t even our day to begin with! I hate to say it, but we Brits are a bit messed up! We can’t even manage our own national football team, for the love of…
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Wow. Freaky stuff. Next thing you know, they’ll be making us Americans swear allegiance to Bush’s version of God. Scary!
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Wow. Freaky stuff. Next thing you know, they’ll be making us Americans swear allegiance to Bush’s version of God. Scary!
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Wow. Freaky stuff. Next thing you know, they’ll be making us Americans swear allegiance to Bush’s version of God. Scary!
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if you got squashed, they’d go to prison but you’d still be squashed. not good. this oath thing is risible. i thought it was the english way to keep any patriotism latent. i feel absolutely no allegiance to the queen. if they wanted me to actually swear on something in court, a big important meaningful swear, i think it would have to be morrissey (though i don’t object to RTD!)
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if you got squashed, they’d go to prison but you’d still be squashed. not good. this oath thing is risible. i thought it was the english way to keep any patriotism latent. i feel absolutely no allegiance to the queen. if they wanted me to actually swear on something in court, a big important meaningful swear, i think it would have to be morrissey (though i don’t object to RTD!)
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if you got squashed, they’d go to prison but you’d still be squashed. not good. this oath thing is risible. i thought it was the english way to keep any patriotism latent. i feel absolutely no allegiance to the queen. if they wanted me to actually swear on something in court, a big important meaningful swear, i think it would have to be morrissey (though i don’t object to RTD!)
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RYN: Eh, I suppose. At least they’re in the Prem. Then again, relegation would cause about 50,000 cases of nervous breakdowns on Tyneside so that wouldn’t be good for public order! Then again, I hope Boro get relegated because they put me to sleep.
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RYN: Eh, I suppose. At least they’re in the Prem. Then again, relegation would cause about 50,000 cases of nervous breakdowns on Tyneside so that wouldn’t be good for public order! Then again, I hope Boro get relegated because they put me to sleep.
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RYN: Eh, I suppose. At least they’re in the Prem. Then again, relegation would cause about 50,000 cases of nervous breakdowns on Tyneside so that wouldn’t be good for public order! Then again, I hope Boro get relegated because they put me to sleep.
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RYN: Actually not, as the only channel here that broadcasts the Championship is Setanta and I can’t get it. Fox Soccer Channel broadcasts 5 Prem matches a weekend so half the time, Boro’s on. Besides, Leicester-Boro couldn’t be any worse than Leicester vs Watford or Preston. Though oddly, if the season were attend today, the automatic promotion would go to… Stoke and Bristol City!
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RYN: Actually not, as the only channel here that broadcasts the Championship is Setanta and I can’t get it. Fox Soccer Channel broadcasts 5 Prem matches a weekend so half the time, Boro’s on. Besides, Leicester-Boro couldn’t be any worse than Leicester vs Watford or Preston. Though oddly, if the season were attend today, the automatic promotion would go to… Stoke and Bristol City!
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RYN: Actually not, as the only channel here that broadcasts the Championship is Setanta and I can’t get it. Fox Soccer Channel broadcasts 5 Prem matches a weekend so half the time, Boro’s on. Besides, Leicester-Boro couldn’t be any worse than Leicester vs Watford or Preston. Though oddly, if the season were attend today, the automatic promotion would go to… Stoke and Bristol City!
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“At the moment they include sleeping with the wife of the heir to the throne, which is punishable by life in prison.” <– Even if it's her husband? SUCK! *smirks* No nookie for the heir!!! RYN: HA!!! I updated my entry with them, by the way! *grins hugely* ~Shady
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“At the moment they include sleeping with the wife of the heir to the throne, which is punishable by life in prison.” <– Even if it's her husband? SUCK! *smirks* No nookie for the heir!!! RYN: HA!!! I updated my entry with them, by the way! *grins hugely* ~Shady
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“At the moment they include sleeping with the wife of the heir to the throne, which is punishable by life in prison.” <– Even if it's her husband? SUCK! *smirks* No nookie for the heir!!! RYN: HA!!! I updated my entry with them, by the way! *grins hugely* ~Shady
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