Responses to Foreskin Comments, Part I.
I respond not only to refine my own arguments, but to let others maybe see the light.
- I just wanted to let you know, my brother was left intact and he’s not proud of it, nor does he hate it. It’s just there to him. Something that my mother left and something that has caused him ridicule. I am not sure if the ridicule hurts him since he is very quiet, all I know is that he doesn’t see a big deal in the foreskin. Like I said, he just thinks it’s there. On the other hand, his best friend is circumcised and my brother has never heard any complaints from his friend. This friend also got his son circumcised.
Obviously, to you, this is a big deal and I guess you are trying to make yourself happy. Whatever works for you. But, shoving your views on some people come off as pushy and makes them not want to hear it.
As for me, yes, I prefer a circumcised penis. Two of my exes were intact and they traumatized me with their foreskin. (Long story) My Fiance is circumcised and he his proud to be. His father is intact and he saw what his father had to go through, my fiance is proud that his mother chose to cut him.
To be blunt, I am circumcising my future sons. Not for the reason of ridicule or the reason to “look like the father”, I feel that this would be better for my sons. Now, before you come to my diary and continue to note me telling me why is wrong…don’t. I understand why YOU may feel this way, but I don’t.
It’s a matter of choice really, and I hope that you can respect my choice just like I respect your restoration choice.
Also, if you are going to note me, try to refrain from linking pictures and videos. I’ve seen them.
Okay, I won’t pester you. See, I took your name out. However, as you can imagine, I have a fair emount of response.
Your experience has been intact guys that either feel nothing positive about their foreskins, or simply didn’t know how to use their penis. And circumcised guys who were glad it was done. So be it.
You see, the thing is, as much as I want to be impartial, I am right. If I’m wrong, then it’s okay for every infant male to have his foreskin amputated. That’s not a thought I like.
As I see it, the problem is choice. But whose choice? Whose foreskin is it? This is something that these discussions end up degrading into. Parents that say, “It’s better for him!” And parents and guys like me that say, “Uh, there’s nothing wrong with his foreskin, I’m leaving it alone.”
Circumcision is a cosmetic surgery, which in my opinion does not make the penis look better. Obviously you’d disagree. So be it, I’m not about to debate aesthetic, though I know a number of woman who know how much better an intact penis is when a guy knows how to use it. Choice? I have no choice, madam. This is the critical heart of the matter. I had no choice in my circumcision. Any intact male who dislikes the body he was given is free to alter it, the same way you can go get yourself piercings, tattoos, breast implants, or digit amputation. I can not simply be given my penis back.
This is a self-perpetuating culture whereby there’s a stigma against the intact penis. Both sides feel this. This seems to exist mostly in the United States.
Something I like to bring up is, what about hermaphrodites? What is to be done with intersexed individuals? Do we cut up their genitals so that they can have a “normal” life? Personally, I do not believe in such surgery to put our children into either the Male of Female box. It’s better for anybody that wants elective surgery on their genitals for it to be done when they are aware of it.
That’s a critical sentence. Many believe it’s better for circumcision to be done when males can’t “remember” it. This also happens to be when they can’t consent. Unfortunately, this is a self-perpetuating reason. There’s no reason for it to be done in the first place. If there’s a valid medical reason, so be it, but most infantile foreskins are just fine and dandy. I say it again: Any intact male can get a circumcision when he grows up. I can not have my foreskin back.
That seems rational. It seems obvious. I know I get preachy, but that seems like overstating the obvious.
How can you know what your child will want? It is quite right that most circumcised males are content with themselves. So be it. Would it be so horrible if they grew up with all their bits intact? In nations that don’t circumcise, there isn’t a huge line of men that are so unhappy that they were left intact. The reaction in most other countries is that if you’re circumcised, you’re a jew. Because there’s no reason to otherwise, critical medical conditions aside.
I won’t touch on jews today.
One more, quickly.
- No I won’t hold anything against you. These are your veiws and opinions, I definatly respect that. But ad far as men knowing what their forskin is? Do you mean dictionary terms? Because I beleive they do. Actually when I read your entry bout being a victim of circ I asked my husband about his, and he really doesn’t look down on it. I think over all he is glad! Reading about waht the forskin does? As in, it CAN get infected? How about if an uncirced man wants to join the army, he has to be circed. Yes it is true. My hubby’s uncle had to get circed in order to join the army. My hubby has a friend who had to get circed at 8 because it kept getting infected. To this day he still walks funny. IMO I would rather get my son circed at birth than him having to do it at an older age. He can FEEL it when he’s older and remember it.
The foreskin is like any other body part. Some kids get ear infections. My sister had bronchitis a lot. How many colds did we get as a child? I had tonsilitis – once. I still have my tonsils, thank you very much. All body parts are suspectible to problems. Comparatively speaking, the Vagina is much higher maintanence over a lifetime than a penis will be, for most.
I fail to see how worry over joining the army is a valid reason. You can’t know where your son will go. What if the army required all females to have their prepuce removed? Would you go have your daughter’s prepuce amputated so she wouldn’t have to do it when she’s older? (I said IF, people.)
I fail to see how guys being able to FEEL it as an adult is such a bad thing. Ahem. Look at all the body modification we go through these days. Breast implants, prince alberts, tattoos. These are things we do not do to infants. Everything effects children. I’d be a fool to claim for sure one way or the other, but consider premature babies left in incubators without human contact. That effects them. Children born with the cord around their neck may have a fear of things around their neck. Why do I enjoy pain on my genitals? We can only speculate.
I feel much better about cognitively aware human enduring pain on his genitals when he KNOWS why it’s happening, then a helpless infant. An adult won’t be psychologically impacted the way an infant is.
Most men simply don’t have issues with their foreskins. Some may feel the cost-benefit is there, hoping the boy won’t turn out like me. That’s a gamble. Leave the boy intact, and he can do whatever he wants with it. An adult male making a conscious decision to augment his body. I support that! And since it’s his decision, of course he will be quite delighted at the initial results. But once we start lopping off bits, there’s no way to give back what was amputated.
Probably more I could respond to, but I have Weight Training soon. Excuse me.
It’s a cycle really. Some “intact” men want to get circumcised, and some don’t care. Some circumcised men, want to be intact, and again, some just don’t care. It’s interesting to find out from a Yahoo group in the U.K. that so many older men are getting circumcised. They DO have trouble finding doctors to perform it, but they eventually find one. And they have gotten their son’s cut at birth.
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It’s funny, each of us has our criteria of how we want to look, how we want others to see us, and how our parents want us to look. God forbid, your son (when you have one) continues to have multiple infections and his doctor tells you the only way that this will end is circumcision. Would you fight it? Would you let your son continue with the pain of UTI’s, infections..etc? You would want the…
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the best for your son right? What do you think mother’s are trying to do? It’s not an easy decision whether or not to leave him intact or not. But the Pro’s out weigh the Cons. I do agree, it is a cosmetic surgery. And working with my neighbor in Lincoln Hospital (She is a nurse in Obstetrics), alot of baby boys get circumcised. She’s even told me that alot of older and teenagers get circumcised.
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I hardly believe that it’s declining rapidly. Maybe in infants, but I believe it’s also increasing with teenagers and adults. I bet, you have blamed your mother once or twice for circumcising you. Yeah, well an intact boy will probably do the same thing. Like I said, it’s a cycle. There are bigger problems in the world besides RIC that I must tend to. (like, World Hunger, War in Iraq…etc.)
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