The Nature of Logic.
So I was sitting in class and the prof was going on and on about probability. Mostly because that’s basically what we’re learning in the class. Somehow, my mind wandered to something more interesting, that I’ve been meaning to look at. Yes, as the title says, the nature of logic.
I think it was spurred because the prof randomly mentioned The Law of Excluded Middle. Without that law, there is no logic. At least in a concrete and defined sense. So I thought to myself, “Okay, well, what is logic?” I considered exactly what the Law of Excluded Middle does. Consider the world linearly. (I won’t even try to get into more than two dimensions.) Think of A being on one end, and ~A being at the other end. (If you don’t know, the ‘~’ is one notation for negation.) The world is not such where A and ~A covers all possible states. Example time.
We vote, right? Well, some of us. Okay, very few of us. But, when we vote, we give our entire support to one candidate. There is no, “Well, 60% of me wants to vote for him, but 40% of me doesn’t like some of his policies.” You can’t vote for and against somebody at the same time. (See Law of Contradiction.) This is the nature of voting. As I said, you either give all or none of your support to somebody, regardless of how you really feel. That’s the nature of the human construct of voting. Another example.
Consider the concept of a “flood”. Fxy will be, “Place x is flooded at time y.” ~Fxy would be the negation, “It is not the case that place x is flooded at time y.” Of course, this arbitrarily defines a certain water level. When is a place flooded? Common sense would say a place is flooded when there is excess water, typically caused by rain. It’s suppose it rains. If it’s a small drizzle, I doubt anybody will say it’s flooded. If a foot of water just falls out of the sky, I think there would be some amount of flooding. PHOOOM. *KABOOM* Anyway, there are infinitely many water levels between a drizzle and a foot of water. (If you think it’s finite, I can prove otherwise.) If an inch of rain falls, is it still not flooded? Two different states, but with the same logical assignment.
I suppose the point of logic is to cut out the fuzziness of the world. (Don’t even start on fuzzy logic, I’m not even sure what it is.) If you think of the world as black and white, logic essentially cuts out the gray area. It brings in a level of certainty. If someone says, “It is the case that place x is flooded at time y”, I would assume there’s a lot of fucking water!” I forget if I said this previously, but there are certain water levels that would be hard to guage.
This is the case of the heap. Let’s suppose you have tiny pebbles. If you start with one, and add another tiny pebble, it is not a heap. It is clear that if you add enough, it becomes a heap. But, as I said before, if you add one pebble to something that isn’t a heap, it doesn’t become a heap. Same principal can be applied to the flood scenario. Would a micron of water added to an area that isn’t flooded cause it to be flooded? (Don’t even think about scenarios where there’s a dam that breaks. I’m just thinking about rivers going over their banks.)
Part of the problem here is English. English is not logical. I can’t think of a language that is. (Don’t say math, we can’t talk to each other exclusively in math. Well, as far as I know.) English is imperfect. Well, how many other ways can I say it? It’s arbitrary. If I say, “Go over there”, well, where is there? It’s not one fixed point in space-time. I mean, hell, we’re flying around the sun at however-many miles per hour. “Here.” Is constantly changing, as well, relative to some static concept of space-time.
I don’t see too many absolute things in the world. This desk seems static to me. But, on an atomic level, it’s almost chaotic. Humans call things “chaotic” when we can not find some sort of pattern or order to it. But, I digress. This desk is static in that I will always know where “the desK” will “be”. And when I return, this desk will continue to be “the desk”. It won’t randomly morph into THEDOUBLEDONGOFJUSTICE.
Maybe the world is absolutely relative. …*laughs* I won’t even try to explain that one.
Logic introduces preciseness where there might not be one. What does it mean for something to be “true”? It’s VERY hard to think of a non-circular definition, assuming one exists. Logic invents this notion of absolute trueness. Well, relatively absolute trueness. “It can be true, it can be false, depends on what logical operators are applied.” Logic invents true and false, then applies logical operators to them. If I remember correctly, you can define any statement in or statements and negations. But, uh, that’s a pain in the ass. I also remember that nor can define any statement. Hmm. I’m rambling. This sounded so much better in my head.
Logic invents true and false. Then invents ways for them to interact. All really need is And, Or, and Implication. (A&B, AvB, A->B, respectively, though notation can differ.) OH. Oh yeah, that’s why I was going down this line of thought. There’s one really bad thing people do a lot when arguing. What’s it called, inferring the antecedent? I believe so. New paragraph.
Let’s suppose there’s ol` A->B. (Or A implies B.) What a lot of people do is, if they find B to be true, they’ll infer A. Examples show what I’m talking about. Suppose A is “John is human” and B is “John is a mammal”. A->B is true. (Why? There is only one way implication can be false: If you have A and you don’t have B. Implication means that if you have the antecedent, you MUST have the predicate.”) Now, as I said, the mistake people make is if they know B to be true, they’ll infer A. Suppose John is a monkey. B obviously true. But, from B, you can not infer A.
Also, to clarify another misconception, implication does not mean causation. I won’t even go into that one, I can’t think of a good example.
I’ve completely lost my train of thought. Maybe I’ll stop before I start thinking about things out of my league. By the way, the problem of inferring the antecedent is one reason I discount almost all “proofs” for the existence of Big G. You diddleys. I’m content to just say you can’t know. PUNY HUMANS. *cackles*
I dare somebody to prove that I’m not God. I mean, come on, BRING`EM ON. If you want to use skewed logic, you can prove that I am God rather easily. I mean, hell, Ray Charles is God. Reminds me, I was going to pose that as a general question. To refresh everybody’s memory:
God is love.
Love is blind.
Ray Charles is blind.
Therefore, Ray Charles is God.
And therefore, God exists.
I know why these statements aren’t consistent. Well, I don’t remember off the top of my head, but I’m sure I can derive the explanation again.
lol…I like your proof that God exists. 😉 However, I don’t care for LOGIC much!
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All bow to Ray Charles. This was above me, it’s too damn early for trying to pretend I’m intellectual. Dude, bright diary! Bright diary!! And yes, job security just because of who now holds the contract to my job. *shrugs* That’s fine with me. <3
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Oh man, you young kids. Back in the day !A = ~A, all that funky new math, it makes me feel ooold
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Of course, all your mental masturbation hangs on the assumption that reality is not subjective, that in my world everything obeys the same rules that it does in yours. Man, some strange ass stuff happens in my world. Of course, I’m a firm believer in the maxim “Reality is subjective”. It makes the world fun.
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When you combine an exhausted person with a computer screen so bright it makes everything else look green when one looks away, you can’t expect me to pay enough attention to try and understand. *laughs* <3
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Nothing is better than God. Warm beer is better than nothing. Therefore, warm beer is better than God. *belch*
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You should at some point delve into quantum logic, which states that the universe is entirely deterministic, yet totally probabilistic as well. It’s the most.
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You can be God all you want. I wont even argue with ya on that one.
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You can leave whatever kind of notes you want on my diary, even if they don’t even have to do with the entry.
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It’s because “Ray Charles is blind” does not mean that the terms “Ray Charles” and “blind” are equivalent in meaning. It is a simplified expression of, “Ray Charles possesses the quality of blindness.” To express that, you need to use predicate, not propositional logic – and if you do that, it doesn’t follow that Ray Charles is God. Sorry.
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WTF? I just wrote you a big, long note and it wouldn’t let me post it because it contained the text “.” WTF?!
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That logic is partially invalid because of the fallacy of equivocation, which windgèd medusa is talking about, and partially because of what you were explaining earlier in your entry. God>>love>>blind and R.C.>>blind may both be taken as true, but the implication that God>>blind does NOT mean that blind>>God, which is a necessary step in that “logic.”
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Had to do the >> thing because that’s what caused the lack of note postingness. ^_^ Blargh.
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You know, I was going to apologize for leaving like three billion notes on one entry, and then I realized that a) doing so would be extremely ironic, and b) YOU DO IT TO ME! So I’m not sorry! Nyeh!
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Oh, yeah, and you also have to admit the premise that Ray Charles exists in order to continue the flawed reasoning, anyway. I’m surprised they left it out, because ‘Ray Charles exists’ is not necessarily implied by the statement ‘Ray Charles is blind.’
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You so have this coming.
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The Nature of Logic… wow, that’s a very interesting topic to ponder.
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Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. –Walt Whitman, Song of Myself
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um… this requires too much thought
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Logic is overrated. Not that I can prove that, since I’ve never had a philosophy course in my life. But oh well, the whole world is a bunch of electrical signals in my brain so therefore whatever I think is how it is.
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Whoa, too much pink and too much thinking for my poor little brain.
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I enjoyed this entry immensely. Say, do you input on another site? The name beginning with “L”?
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ryn 1): No, not LiveJournal – it’s not a diary venue. Well, I’ll just tell you – lowbrow. ryn 2): I haven’t gotten sh*t faced in years and years, however, I do like a buzz after a rough day or for celebratory purposes. Now I AM going to log off for the evening (liar, liar, bikini panties on fire) heh. Have a great weekend.
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You lost me there buddy. Well, you only lost me 70% the other 30% was still there until I decided to quite reading. I’m tired.
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RYN: No, Ray Charles is still not God. A .*. B does not mean that B .*. A. (WTF with the stupid note code? What character is it disallowing?!)
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OK here’s an example: “If musiclover1414 is wearing a suit, he must be going to (or has just gone to) a wedding, funeral, or job interview.”That is a true implication, if you know me. But certainly wearing a suit did not CAUSE me to go to one of those events.(The foregoing was written with the dubious assumption that you or one of your readers CARES to see an example.)
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I’m just confused…
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you know what I love most about arguments involving logic?There comes a point in the argument where all parties involved start to realize that there really is no such things as “logic”. The more people present intelligent arguments, the less the logic seems logical. Need proof, just read all these notes. Even logic is relative and therefore infinately fallible and simutaneously true.
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